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Walgreens closing 5 San Francisco stores due to 'organized retail crime'

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Re: Walgreens closing 5 San Francisco stores due to 'organized retail crime'

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In a few years we will be hearing about all the food deserts in San Francisco and how they stem from racism and white supremacy...

Historic racism -> Intergenerational poverty -> Crime -> Area divestment -> Food desert.

Historic racism -> Intergenerational poverty -> chaos -> Quantum mechanics -> Hawking radiation -> Black hole

Now we are all dead. Thanks, racism.

Re: Walgreens closing 5 San Francisco stores due to 'organized retail crime'

#92
post #66

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That's all nice to say when you are not one of the Walgreens employees who may lose a job as a result of the closures, right? Owner-operated pharmacies have been out of business for decades. I'm sure you yearn for the days of Blockbuster video or, better still, your neighborhood video stores. No Netflix for you, right?

> Owner-operated pharmacies have been out of business for decades. Check out anywhere in the US more than 100 miles from an Ocean

There are fewer than 20k such pharmacies, for 3k counties in the US. So fewer than 7 per county. It's safe to say they are gone for good.

Also, consider the fact that at least 40% of the population lives within 100 miles of a coast, perhaps more.

https://fortune.com/2021/04/29/independent-owned-small-pharm...

Re: Walgreens closing 5 San Francisco stores due to 'organized retail crime'

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I’m also a SF resident and the above comment does not represent the vast majority of people here. A good example is Ahsha Safai’s comment (the supervisor for district 11): “I am completely devastated by this news - this Walgreens is less than a mile from seven schools and has been a staple for seniors, families and children for decades. This closure will significantly impact this community.” https://twitter.com/ahsha…

That comment is about the value of a store like Walgreens. It's not praise of the Walgreens brand.

It’s about one of the specific stores in TFA.

Re: Walgreens closing 5 San Francisco stores due to 'organized retail crime'

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> To be clear: betting like this is baseless speculation. It is speculation, but it is not baseless. I base my speculation on a foundation of N=1, which may not be very firm but is not baseless. Just now though, I clicked through to that nypost article and found this: > There are 77 other thieves right now walking the streets of New York with rap sheets of 20 or more shoplifting charges, NYPD sources say. 77 is a bit…

I think I'd feel comfortably vindicated with a number about an order of magnitude higher :-) Seriously: NYC is big. 77 kleptomaniacs in a city of 8.4 million people? Not bad! Per capita, we're one of the safest (and lowest-crime) cities in the country[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

It's not the number of kleptos that is the matter of concern. What concerns me is the police/prosecutors/courts allowing these kleptos to run free. That it has happened 77 times shows that it wasn't just one guy somehow slipping through the system as a fluke. The kleptos are mere bellwethers for the systemic sickness in law enforcement.

Re: Walgreens closing 5 San Francisco stores due to 'organized retail crime'

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Bombarded with suffocating propaganda telling them that society considers them subhuman and they will never succeed on their own merits and their only option is to rely on the benevolence and generosity of the brave and wonderful allies who have taken pity on them. -> Demoralization and withdrawal from constructive participation in society. -> Crime, poverty. -> Poor disadvantaged people stay dependent, on the bottom…

It's both. Propaganda can't tell you why you're poor if you're not poor. Lots of things play into the situation. I don't think historic racism is the only factor, it's certainly not a useful point of intervention, but it is a factor. It's important we remember that when we're presented with options for intervention so we can approach them with a degree of empathy we otherwise would not afford them.

> Propaganda can't tell you why you're poor if you're not poor.

Not true. You'd be surprised how many kids in comfortable middle class families think they are poor because they aren't living the luxury jetset lifestyle they see promoted by influencers on instagram.

Re: Walgreens closing 5 San Francisco stores due to 'organized retail crime'

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post #82

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I want to add to your comment, that the problem with Walgreens security in SF is well known, far before the issues with the changes in the law took front and center. I actually had a conversation with a friend about how bad their security was back in 2007. The issue is purely one of store layout and design. They could easily fix that and solve most of the problem.

How would layout stop ransacking that goes intentionally unprosecuted? Looting example in Alameda that seems unrelated to store design: https://youtube.com/watch?v=9ICQDYeAPDE

On this site, people like to look for technical solutions to social problems. "Law enforcement and the courts aren't doing their jobs? No problem, just rearrange the shelves in your shops..."

Re: Walgreens closing 5 San Francisco stores due to 'organized retail crime'

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post #86

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Bombarded with suffocating propaganda telling them that society considers them subhuman and they will never succeed on their own merits and their only option is to rely on the benevolence and generosity of the brave and wonderful allies who have taken pity on them. -> Demoralization and withdrawal from constructive participation in society. -> Crime, poverty. -> Poor disadvantaged people stay dependent, on the bottom…

It's both. Propaganda can't tell you why you're poor if you're not poor. Lots of things play into the situation. I don't think historic racism is the only factor, it's certainly not a useful point of intervention, but it is a factor. It's important we remember that when we're presented with options for intervention so we can approach them with a degree of empathy we otherwise would not afford them.

As I said I disagree. I think that's a relatively factor that is not nearly so important as the common discourse would lead you to believe. When you look at other peoples who have historically suffered racism, when you look at those in generational poverty, it just seems like there are too many counter examples for it to be an overwhelming factor.

I've never seen strong evidence or really good theories that fit the facts about this which aren't just pages of handwaving and waffling and speculation (or worse, veiled threats that you are a racist if you disagree with the theory).

What I think is that in fact it is a great tool for use by some unscrupulous people because it means they never have to actually be held to account for any of their policies or legislation or agenda. None of it is measurable. Somehow people have us convinced that they and only they are able to fix racism or improve the lot of disadvantaged minorities... without ever having to show a single scrap of evidence or results. Anything that goes wrong for them can be blamed on others who are racist, and any questioning of their methods or policies makes you a racist. They actually have an extremely strong incentive to never fix these problems at all.

That's why I prefer my theory. It fits reality and explains motives a lot better in my opinion.

Hopefully everyone here is grown up enough that I don't need to add the usual wall of disclaimers (racism existed and exists and people suffer from it, my theory is about social scale effects and not any person's individual experience, etc.).

Re: Walgreens closing 5 San Francisco stores due to 'organized retail crime'

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post #24

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The police don't want to arrest criminals and fill out paperwork if the people they pick up aren't going to be held. That's a knock on effect of what you're describing.

I don't want to fill out TPF reports either but if that's a requirement of my job, shouldn't I do it?

What if your boss didn't want you to fill out TPF reports? Would you do it then?

Re: Walgreens closing 5 San Francisco stores due to 'organized retail crime'

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post #59

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I don't want to fill out TPF reports either but if that's a requirement of my job, shouldn't I do it?

Sure. And objectively the cops should keep arresting these people. Unfortunately people aren't robots, and morale is a thing.

How often do we say the same thing about people that are poor and have no other options but turning to a life of crime? The police are paid. The retail gangs might not have any employment opportunities. But, how often does someone say "people aren't robots and morale is a thing" about them and mean that crushing poverty leads them to make poor but understandable choices.

It's just a thought experiment and something to consider.

Re: Walgreens closing 5 San Francisco stores due to 'organized retail crime'

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post #86

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It's both. Propaganda can't tell you why you're poor if you're not poor. Lots of things play into the situation. I don't think historic racism is the only factor, it's certainly not a useful point of intervention, but it is a factor. It's important we remember that when we're presented with options for intervention so we can approach them with a degree of empathy we otherwise would not afford them.

> Propaganda can't tell you why you're poor if you're not poor. Not true. You'd be surprised how many kids in comfortable middle class families think they are poor because they aren't living the luxury jetset lifestyle they see promoted by influencers on instagram.

That's a fair point.
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