Isn't the bigger concern that kids can pass it on to adults who do get sicker?
Delta does not appear to make children sicker
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Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker
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While I agree that this has been overly politicized, I think you're attempting a moral equivalence here that is wrong. One side is pushing 100% vaccination, which scientists say is the best way to solve this. The other side is opposing even the most reasonable public health mandates like masking, pushing proven snake-oil like hydroxychloriquine.
> other side is opposing even the most reasonable public health mandates like masking, pushing proven snake-oil like hydroxychloriquine They is grey area in between these extremes. Religious and medical exemptions to vaccination are widely supported. And most anti-vaxxers aren’t on the hydroxychloroquine train. Within the antivaxxer community, a subset are fine with immunity documentation provided it reflect their na…
Religious exemption is not widely supported. Many locations do not have religious exemption. And supporting documentation of covid antibodies is creating a massive moral hazard for anti-vaxxers.
Delta is infectious enough that we must assume that every unvaccinated person will get it. Telling people that they will be able to rejoin society after they're vaccinated or they get covid will result in people avoiding vaccination, which means saturating ICUs as those people get covid by happenstance or by deliberate action.
There are people awaiting critical surgeries who cannot get it because of the lack of ICU space.
Triage is a crisis right now in many infected regions Remember, if R is greater than one, and you can expect to get covid as an unvaccinated person, then that means that by staying unvaccinated you are de facto planning on giving somebody covid.
Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker
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> A buried story from last year is that nationwide there was exactly 1 confirmed child influenza death in the entire country. There was 200 the year before. It speaks to the disease prevention protocols being very effective. Obviously, nobody wants children to die from influenza or COVID, but what are the long-term consequences of young immune systems receiving significantly less exposure to pathogens? https://www.ny…
I find the hygiene hypothesis argument to be unconvincing. The notion that over sterilization leads to weaker immune response is plausible if not settled science. But it certainly seems the long-term outcomes in terms of life expectancy and quality of life come out heavily in favor of the sanitized and vaccinated life. Aside from the immediate benefit of fewer deaths due to acute illness, I bet there's a host of long…
> But it certainly seems the long-term outcomes in terms of life expectancy and quality of life come out heavily in favor of the sanitized and vaccinated life.
For who?
As of October 6, according to CDC data[1], 181 children 0-4 and 406 children 5-18 have died from COVID. Obviously, all of these deaths are sad but it's also impossible to ignore how small these numbers are in terms of the overall population of children under the age of 18.
> Aside from the immediate benefit of fewer deaths due to acute illness, I bet there's a host of long-term syndromes akin to Long Covid that haven't been identified.
You bet? What evidence do you have to back up the suggestion that there are long-term syndromes in children that "haven't been identified"?
Isn't this the same argument put forth by some people opposed to vaccination -- that there might be long-term side effects we don't yet know about? So why would this argument be acceptable in promoting vaccination and restrictions but not in opposing vaccination?
[1] https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Focus-...
Re: Delta does not appear to make children sicker
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I agree that this has been overly politicized, I think you're attempting a moral equivalence here that is wrong. One side is pushing 100% vaccination, which scientists say is the best way to solve this. The other side is opposing even the most reasonable public health mandates like masking, pushing proven snake-oil like hydroxychloriquine.
No. There's a third side pushing for the Scandinavian solution. Pro-vaccine, but anti-mandate. A little while ago, everyone wanted to be like Norway or Denmark or Sweden -- now they pretend these countries don't exist. Edit: of course I got shadowbanned from Hacker News for opposing the surveillance state. Curse you. Edit 2: someone below says "The Scandinavian countries all have vaccine cards, however, and permit pe…
The Scandinavian solution works because of it's highly functional education system. When enough percentage of people have at least a basic comprehension of logic and the scientific method the "surveillance state" as you call it does not need to strong arm common sense in its population.
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Pfizer vaccine doesn’t prevent infection from delta. Vaccines prevent hospitalization. This is well documented. My friend, a doctor, was just infected by delta this week and she’s vaccinated. Getting kids vaccinated wont prevent other vaccinated kids from being infected. The kids vaccine is 1/3 of the dose of the adult vaccine. And the adult vaccine is known to drop down to 20% efficacy after 4 months. Kids already h…
Pfizer is very effective against Delta. Only very marginally less effective than previous strains. And the reason to vaccinate kids despite the low risk to their personal health has been mentioned multiple times in this thread.
Please don’t spread misinformation. This is absolutely false.
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Pfizer is very effective against Delta. Only very marginally less effective than previous strains. And the reason to vaccinate kids despite the low risk to their personal health has been mentioned multiple times in this thread.
Please don’t spread misinformation. This is absolutely false.
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I find the hygiene hypothesis argument to be unconvincing. The notion that over sterilization leads to weaker immune response is plausible if not settled science. But it certainly seems the long-term outcomes in terms of life expectancy and quality of life come out heavily in favor of the sanitized and vaccinated life. Aside from the immediate benefit of fewer deaths due to acute illness, I bet there's a host of long…
> But it certainly seems the long-term outcomes in terms of life expectancy and quality of life come out heavily in favor of the sanitized and vaccinated life. For who? As of October 6, according to CDC data[1], 181 children 0-4 and 406 children 5-18 have died from COVID. Obviously, all of these deaths are sad but it's also impossible to ignore how small these numbers are in terms of the overall population of childre…
I'm not specifically talking about covid vaccination but rather the general approach of disease avoidance.
But to that point we have very clear evidence that vaccines leave the body quickly and long term effects have been carefully studied and found to not exist for any vaccine ever. Conversely human DNA is littered with the remnants of eons if viral DNA. And as someone suffering the effects of a retrovirus (canker sores) it is well known that they can stick around for a lifetime. Not to mention the scar tissue of severe illness that can take years to heal.
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The Scandinavian countries all have vaccine cards, however, and permit people to discriminate based on whether one has those. The U.S. won’t jail you if you refuse the vaccine. But you have to stay home. This is functionally identical to the Scandinavian solution, minus public buildings and minus a federal vaccine certificate.
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You can't write stuff like this here, even if the person to whom you're responding is mistaken in a variety of ways. Even if you live in Copenhagen.
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"> The CDC researchers found that people previously infected but unvaccinated were 2.34 times more likely to get reinfected than people who were previously infected and fully vaccinated." That's not comparing vaccine vs natural immunity. That's comparing vaccine + natural immunity to natural immunity alone. Not what the question is, even though the framing of the study implies otherwards.
You're right, which is a direct counter to the parent comment of "there's no benefit to getting the vaccine if you've had covid".
Which I never stated