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Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Is it possible to create a free speech reddit alternative that doesn't immediately turn into a right wing extremist site? My mind immediately turns to the Paradox of Tolerance, and I think the answer is no.

What’s the incentive for users to use it?

You’re offering a comparable product except with no real existing user base and a higher friction to gain new users for your community.

There’s some marginal audience in people interested in the principle of the thing, but the bulk of your users are going to be users that can’t be serviced by the main players.

If your only offering is “X, but we won’t ban you” then you’re going to collect the dregs of the internet.

There’s a bit of a feedback loop here as well in that many of the existing services are banning users and communities because they’re negatively impacting advertisers and the rest of the community. So when your service is overrun with the undesirables in short order, the rest of the communities are going to be negatively incentivized to migrate and you’re going to find it impossible to find any real financial support or backing.

So no, I don’t think “X, but free speech” will ever turn into anything but a cesspool. You need an offering that will attract desirable users as fast or faster than the undesirables that have been kicked out of anywhere else can sign up and that’s going to take some sort of additional value.

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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you had to do that on reddit every time you discussed trump. "I loathe that racist, I didn't vote for him, but I thought it was funny that he said... blah blah" conforming to groupthink and avoiding judgement by the ingroup is a major problem across the "free world". regardless of political leanings.

Again, why are people equating weak virtue signaling about milquetoast democratic leanings with singaling about *Anti-semitic conspiracy* mongering? I think the issue isn't about signaling or "when in rome" sort of fitting in, it's that to signal you are part of a the community you have to appear super fringe.

Comparing is not equating. The only thing being compared is the “when in Rome” aspect.

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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While "extremist" might have connatations of violence/terrorism, those connotations are not inherent in the meaning of the word. I would argue that it behooves us to push back against such a connotation because it really only serves to delegitimize people who don't have mainstream beliefs by implying that they intend violence without having to justify an actually disprovable statement.

Sure. I don't like the word, most of my argument is infact arguing against the use of the word "extremist". I only used it once in response and I used "extreme" elsewhere which is fine to use when denoting where they are in the spectrum of the political ideology.

You explicitly upgraded the terrorism connotation to being part of the meaning by using it to draw a distinction between the two words categorical referents.

Instead I think you should have directly questioned whether the connotation of violence was part of the point you were responding to.

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Then it's an armchair wannabe federal agent? Yes pgeorgi does look and quack like that. Judge thee but not me!

Depends on the federation: Federal Republic of Germany? I'm paying taxes so I guess one could consider me an agent. But more than that: I also worked and work for organisations aligned with them in various capacities (currently I'm TA'ing at a state-run university, so while that's multiple hops away I guess it's a start? My fellow citizens often mix up what part is federal and what's state anyway, so it might as well…

Shit, so those people were terrorists.

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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post #93

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Sure. I don't like the word, most of my argument is infact arguing against the use of the word "extremist". I only used it once in response and I used "extreme" elsewhere which is fine to use when denoting where they are in the spectrum of the political ideology.

You explicitly upgraded the terrorism connotation to being part of the meaning by using it to draw a distinction between the two words categorical referents. Instead I think you should have directly questioned whether the connotation of violence was part of the point you were responding to.

Okay so would you like the criteria for all site's users to be a "connotation of violence" to meet the extremist threshold?

That is even looser than wishing death and would cover many more communities.

Let's clear things up by a simple question:

How do you define "extremist"?

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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post #89

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Depends on the federation: Federal Republic of Germany? I'm paying taxes so I guess one could consider me an agent. But more than that: I also worked and work for organisations aligned with them in various capacities (currently I'm TA'ing at a state-run university, so while that's multiple hops away I guess it's a start? My fellow citizens often mix up what part is federal and what's state anyway, so it might as well…

Shit, so those people were terrorists.

Sorry, I don't follow. Is that the Chewbacca defense?

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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My post was exactly what GP was doing here. He couldn't talk about the article posted without bringing in some neo nazi fantasy he had. I simply changed the words he spouted and it fit perfectly with what he is doing. Reddit bans anything "far right" (whatever that means) that gets popular. Extremist used to mean terrorist, now it's used for people you don't align with politically. No one on [Patriots . win] is an ex…

> No one on [Patriots . win] is an extremist, but I'm sure you'd say they were. Seriously?

Yes, "seriously".

How about for fun you try to explain what an extremist is?

We'll go from there.

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Shit, so those people were terrorists.

Sorry, I don't follow. Is that the Chewbacca defense?

Was just a joke. You joked that I guessed right you were a fed, and I joked that you must have been right guessing about the person on Patriots since I guessed right.

The underlying joke is we're all just guessing and judging people based on a razor thin insight that is a brief comment on a forum.

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Are you saying that it’s not categorically virtue signaling because someone can find value in that? Doesn’t sound logical to me. If the detail doesn’t contribute to the discussion but is meant to appease a specific group - that’s definitely closer to virtue signaling than to a genuine expression.

Again, I think the problem here is that you might not find that privilege acknowledgement contributes to the discussion, but there are plenty of people who acknowledge their privilege in the belief that it is contributing to the discussion. I think it's very telling that folk think that writing "I'm saying this from a position of privilege" invariably is done with a proverbial gun to their head, hoping to evade a pub…

Providing context like that seems alien to me. In the same way as specifying that I am a white cis straight male 98% Northern European and 2% Central European, etc, etc.

Almost everyone is privileged in some way. I, personally, don't need to know whether someone is privileged to evaluate and understand their opinion. But on the other hand I agree with you that some people do in fact want to see this context attached to every post.

Re: Ruqqus, an open source Reddit clone, is shutting down their main instance

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Again, why are people equating weak virtue signaling about milquetoast democratic leanings with singaling about *Anti-semitic conspiracy* mongering? I think the issue isn't about signaling or "when in rome" sort of fitting in, it's that to signal you are part of a the community you have to appear super fringe.

Comparing is not equating. The only thing being compared is the “when in Rome” aspect.

My point is people are missing the point...again, clearly stating it again, the issue isn't the signaling, it's what must be signaled.
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