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Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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Post by Hypx_ »

worrycue wrote: post #76
1-6 wrote: post #20

Samsung has a dishonorable marketing department. 3nm is not actually 3nm. I'm fed up... OLED is superior so they had to take the path of calling theirs QLED which is actually just an LCD screen with phosphors on top of a blue backlight (and it's nothing new).

> 3nm is not actually 3nm To be fair, I read the Xnm labelling is pretty much pure marketing at this point - since 45nm; https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/technology_node#Meaning_lost

Note that with the rise of finFETs we can pull some of those numbers into the 3rd dimension. The effective gate length is higher than the amount of length it takes on the flat plane of the chip.

https://semiengineering.com/moving-to-gaa-fets/

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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Post by adrian_b »

colechristensen wrote: post #14
catmanjan wrote: post #10

There are a few comments saying that 3nm is a marketing term and that the transistors are actually larger - how is this allowed? Isn't it misleading and deceptive?

There’s not really a standard, some feature is probably 3nm, which feature chosen has varied over time and between companies.

There are no features with lengths of 3 nm, 7 nm etc.

Some vertical distances, e.g. thicknesses, are indeed of only a few nm, but the process size name always referred strictly to horizontal distances (i.e. parallel with the wafer surface), which are determined by lithography. Those are at least 10 times larger, in the range 25 nm to 60 nm for modern processes.

There are a few horizontal distances that are not determined by lithography, i.e. they do not correspond with something drawn on the mask, but the distances are determined by speeds of corrosion or diffusion, like also for the vertical dimensions, but those also do not count for naming processes, because you could have such a distance of only e.g. 5 nm even in an 180 nm process. Those distances that are not determined by lithography do not influence the potential density of a circuit but only certain electrical performances.

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

#93

Post by rurounijones »

wyattpeak wrote: post #26
1-6 wrote: post #20

Samsung has a dishonorable marketing department. 3nm is not actually 3nm. I'm fed up... OLED is superior so they had to take the path of calling theirs QLED which is actually just an LCD screen with phosphors on top of a blue backlight (and it's nothing new).

> 3nm is not actually 3nm It's a stretch to blame that on Samsung, processor generations described in nanometres haven't been based on actual component size for years now, by any manufacturer.

GamersNexus on Youtube have a great video detailing all the issues with processor naming with regards to sizing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxKGFxmwcDo

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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Post by MikusR »

spfzero wrote: post #87
benatkin wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google uploads to their servers. They aren't anointed. You can turn off sync. Same as Google. Samsung software isn't worse than Apple or Google IMO.

Sure, you have a right to your opinion. IMO Samsung software is far worse than Apple's. Many reasons why, but for one, with an older Apple phone you will still get very timely upgrades to their latest software for many more years than you would with a Samsung phone.

You don't need full system updates on android to update browser and other apps.

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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Post by [deleted] »

N00bN00b wrote: post #21
weatherlight wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First though, "5nm", "3nm" and so on are just marketing names. There is nothing about "5nm" that makes it "5nm" other than the company in question saying it is. Some things are smaller than 5nm on a given 5nm node, and some are larger. I cannot recall exactly what node this started to be the case (there used to be an actual definition, one for DRAM, one for logic), but it was in the past two decades and got particula…

>but it was in the past two decades and got particularly ridiculous beginning around "28nm" up to now. I wonder if that is some kind of cultural shift that is taking place that started around 2009, or if it's always been like this and I just never noticed. BMW model numbers used to more or less accurately reflect engine sizes, not anymore, it's just numbers now. 2G, 3G, 4G used to mean something, not anymore. I could…

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Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

#96

Post by MikusR »

thetinguy wrote: post #72
p1necone wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree calling their display tech QLED is pretty shady, and clearly just intended to confuse people. But I'm glad their high end display tech is not OLED yet, because nobody seems to have solved burn in satisfactorily yet (if you play a lot of games or use them with a PC).

There’s an lg oled soon to be released that “solves” the problem by basically underscanning and using the unlit pixels at the edges to allow for much more significant pixel shifts. It’s this one, but I can’t find the review. https://www.dpreview.com/news/0394947539/lg-new-32-4k-ultraf...

Oled tvs have had Screen Shift for years.

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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Post by MikusR »

rendall wrote: post #65
1-6 wrote: post #20

Samsung has a dishonorable marketing department. 3nm is not actually 3nm. I'm fed up... OLED is superior so they had to take the path of calling theirs QLED which is actually just an LCD screen with phosphors on top of a blue backlight (and it's nothing new).

Their high-end phones have such dark patterns that I will flat-out not buy Samsung anything. Even if you pay [€$]1000+ for one of their Smart Phones, you can look forward to: * Uninstallable cruft, as if they were a telcom and you were on a contract and had not just handed over a grand * ...like a confusingly-similar-looking competitor to Google Contacts that will upload your info to their servers * GDPR? LOL * A har…

The only thing common between Samsung that makes phones and Samsung that fabs chips is name.

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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Post by MikusR »

rendall wrote: post #65
1-6 wrote: post #20

Samsung has a dishonorable marketing department. 3nm is not actually 3nm. I'm fed up... OLED is superior so they had to take the path of calling theirs QLED which is actually just an LCD screen with phosphors on top of a blue backlight (and it's nothing new).

Their high-end phones have such dark patterns that I will flat-out not buy Samsung anything. Even if you pay [€$]1000+ for one of their Smart Phones, you can look forward to: * Uninstallable cruft, as if they were a telcom and you were on a contract and had not just handed over a grand * ...like a confusingly-similar-looking competitor to Google Contacts that will upload your info to their servers * GDPR? LOL * A har…

Google Contacts is a confusingly-similar-looking competitor to Samsung contacts.

Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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Post by TeMPOraL »

markdown wrote: post #33
N00bN00b wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>but it was in the past two decades and got particularly ridiculous beginning around "28nm" up to now. I wonder if that is some kind of cultural shift that is taking place that started around 2009, or if it's always been like this and I just never noticed. BMW model numbers used to more or less accurately reflect engine sizes, not anymore, it's just numbers now. 2G, 3G, 4G used to mean something, not anymore. I could…

Advertisers ruin everything.

Advertising is cancer on modern society.

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Re: Samsung Foundry Forum announcements

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Post by morsch »

rendall wrote: post #65
1-6 wrote: post #20

Samsung has a dishonorable marketing department. 3nm is not actually 3nm. I'm fed up... OLED is superior so they had to take the path of calling theirs QLED which is actually just an LCD screen with phosphors on top of a blue backlight (and it's nothing new).

Their high-end phones have such dark patterns that I will flat-out not buy Samsung anything. Even if you pay [€$]1000+ for one of their Smart Phones, you can look forward to: * Uninstallable cruft, as if they were a telcom and you were on a contract and had not just handed over a grand * ...like a confusingly-similar-looking competitor to Google Contacts that will upload your info to their servers * GDPR? LOL * A har…

A hard button on the side of your phone located just below the "volume down" button, ... Don't want to use Bixby? Tough shit. Nothing you can do about it.

That button is actually my favorite feature of the phone and it'll be very hard to give up. Obviously I'm not using it for Bixby. I have it mapped to play/pause on long press, toggle flashlight on double press and as a secondary unlock/lock button on simple press.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jamworks.b...

Works fine on my S10, ymmv.

Edit: And yes, the pre-installed crap is super annoying. You can remove some, but not all of it via adb, it's a hassle. Samsung is hardly the only offender in this regard, though they may be among the worst (aside from Google and Apple which get a free pass).

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