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Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

marcc wrote: post #80
gopalv wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just point my code to read/write from/to R2 instead of S3 This is probably worse for CloudFront than for S3 itself. Double paying for storage is still going to be cheaper than egress fees overall.

Good point about double paying for storage. There's a long migration problem here to clean up. Most of my buckets have some frequently and some very infrequently accessed objects. To address this, there needs to be some sort of an active migration tool? Does R2 have this built in?

I’m not sure exactly what you mean by active migration tool, but my understanding is that they copy objects from s3 to r2 on the first request. So if you have infrequently accessed objects they won’t be copied and you won’t be double paying storage until it’s first requested.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by greg-m »

rmason wrote: post #87

What I want to see is Cloudflare enable hosting static websites on R2. For me that would be an absolute game changer. I know you can already host websites on Cloudflare using another service but I want to see R2 get enabled.

We've heard this a few times and will support it :). Also, shameless plug for Cloudflare Pages to host on CF today.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by Aea »

corobo wrote: post #50
Aea wrote: post #34

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Not saying your experience isn't true, but I've heard horror stories of accounts being disabled for using too much "non-HTML" bandwidth, even on business level ($200/month) accounts (at the single digit TB level). The limits seem to be arbitrary and ill defined. CF may be great technically, but I personally wouldn't use them without an enterprise agreement in place. Bandwidth should be cheap, but cheap does not equal…

How long ago was that?

Came across these 3-4 years ago when I was doing research on whether CF would be viable for a previous company.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by dboreham »

_zoltan_ wrote: post #90
cloudfalcon wrote: post #85

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You're right. This is a silly mistake on my part in rushing out this piece. I apologize. Thanks for pointing this out -I've since taken out the paragraph.

why rush a piece?

More clicks?

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by hitekker »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #8

Personally I find Backblaze B2 more compelling. ... Ok, after writing that, I realized that I should probably look up R2's offering first. And then my jaw hit the floor at "free egress bandwidth". Free egress bandwidth ? Yes please. I will instantly convert. Then I was worried about price per GB. $0.015/GB is incredibly competitive. Good lord, where do I get early access to this thing? I'd transition all our infra to…

B2 is also a lot slower egress than S3, by maybe an order of magnitude.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by cloudfalcon »

_zoltan_ wrote: post #90
cloudfalcon wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right. This is a silly mistake on my part in rushing out this piece. I apologize. Thanks for pointing this out -I've since taken out the paragraph.

why rush a piece?

Cloudflare R2 is topical right now - that was the motivation. Not saying it was the right strategy to do so (clearly not given the mistake).

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

Thaxll wrote: post #89
DisjointedHunt wrote: post #42

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You pay for storage. Only , not as much as what AWS charges. Cloudflare has a business model where they can basically handle any network load you throw at them. They are monetizing their advantage here by allowing you to make full use of their network as long as you make use of their paid storage as well. The margins in the cloud business and AWS especially are breathtakingly large and yet, considered affordable by e…

Cloudflare still has to pay for transit, so I don't see how hosting a 1GB video being served multi TB per month will work for them.

Cloudflare have a great blog post about this: https://blog.cloudflare.com/aws-egregious-egress/

The short answer is that at AWS/Cloudflare scale you’re paying a fixed cost for networking capacity, not for transit per byte. So their cost doesn’t scale anywhere near the way AWS egress costs do, and if they want it can just be free.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by greg-m »

jacurtis wrote: post #47
sillysaurusx wrote: post #8

Personally I find Backblaze B2 more compelling. ... Ok, after writing that, I realized that I should probably look up R2's offering first. And then my jaw hit the floor at "free egress bandwidth". Free egress bandwidth ? Yes please. I will instantly convert. Then I was worried about price per GB. $0.015/GB is incredibly competitive. Good lord, where do I get early access to this thing? I'd transition all our infra to…

According to their press release it says: > That's why Cloudflare plans to eliminate egress fees, deliver object storage that is at least 10% cheaper than S3, and make infrequent access completely free for customers A few elements of concern. It says they "plan to", so we don't know if this is near term or some moonshot type of goal. It also states earlier in the press release that the free egress frees are offered v…

Hey, R2 PM here - there's no question that the product will have 0 egress charges, regardless of destination.

For archival use-cases, you do still pay us for data storage. We're referring to not charging for operations for infrequent access - we'll likely drop the stored data charge down too, eventually, but the current pricing is complex enough.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by nemothekid »

jacurtis wrote: post #47
sillysaurusx wrote: post #8

Personally I find Backblaze B2 more compelling. ... Ok, after writing that, I realized that I should probably look up R2's offering first. And then my jaw hit the floor at "free egress bandwidth". Free egress bandwidth ? Yes please. I will instantly convert. Then I was worried about price per GB. $0.015/GB is incredibly competitive. Good lord, where do I get early access to this thing? I'd transition all our infra to…

According to their press release it says: > That's why Cloudflare plans to eliminate egress fees, deliver object storage that is at least 10% cheaper than S3, and make infrequent access completely free for customers A few elements of concern. It says they "plan to", so we don't know if this is near term or some moonshot type of goal. It also states earlier in the press release that the free egress frees are offered v…

>While it is noteworthy that GCP (Google Cloud Provider) and Microsoft Azure are part of this alliance, AWS is not! So does this mean that egress fees will be charged if an AWS server requests the file?

The bandwidth alliance means when Cloudflare requests a file from GCP, GCP won't charge you egress. Cloudflare will then deliver your file to your customer for free.

Re: Will Cloudflare R2 Win Customers from Amazon S3?

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Post by iptrans »

Smerity wrote: post #68
Eugr wrote: post #25

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Did you have a look at rstor.io? They have free egress and even lower storage costs and also don't seem to charge for IOPS. Not as high profile as Cloudflare though.

Thanks! I'd never seen them. The only minor catches that I've seen are that they want you to start the account with $50 or more added, it's $6 per TB per month (rounded up to the nearest TB) with a 90 day minimum duration, and you're allowed 1TB egress per day for each TB you have stored. They were also acquired very recently[2] though no clue how that might impact things. I'm fine with all those except the pre-loadi…

”you're allowed 1TB egress per day for each TB you have stored.”

Where did you find the reference to 1TB per day?

On the page it says:

“1 TB of data egress for every 1 TB storage capacity used”

I would have assumed this is per month.

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