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Re: Facebook’s documents about Instagram and teens, published

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Post by tomlin »

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #30
GhettoComputers wrote: post #26

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Can you prove these statements with any data? There are of course benefits to online networking, but the US population of LGBT is 5.6% (of all ages) with most concentrated in urban areas so you are pointing out a small age bracket of a specific type of social engagement in a small population as a counter with the assumption it is beneficial, and the hobbies you describe are not social media engagement, they are onlin…

I moderate four LGBTQIA+ communities and support spaces on Facebook, totaling over 395k members. I cover both my local scene and international communities. Without the online spaces, most members wouldn't have friends. The bulk of the work is managing the news feeds and the main task is to approve posts individually. So we see them all. Many would otherwise be totally isolated. Teens in rural America are among the mo…

I do think that communities and social media aren't necessarily the same. Communities have existed before social media. I grew up on CompuServe, which had a few LGBT groups as far back as 1997, and forums chat rooms have been around for as long as that. "Social media" in these terms, tends to be surrounding anonymous behavior and how people abuse anonymous behavior to hurt and even cause physical harm - which has similar effects in your communities. We can shun the daily posting, swipe-right, anonymous aspects of social media without removing communities - as proven by their existence prior to social media.

Re: Facebook’s documents about Instagram and teens, published

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Post by dogorman »

GhettoComputers wrote: post #9

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/03/trends-suicide > The suicide rate increased 33 percent from 1999 through 2017, from 10.5 to 14 suicides per 100,000 people (NCHS Data Brief No. 330, November 2018). Rates have increased more sharply since 2006. Suicide ranks as the fourth leading cause of death for people ages 35 to 54, and the second for 10- to 34-year-olds. It remains the 10th leading cause of death overall. >But…

Interesting that a "33 percent increase" is the same thing as 0.105% to 0.14%. Those latter two figures are both a lot lower than I would have guessed.

Re: Facebook’s documents about Instagram and teens, published

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Post by BrianOnHN »

RNCTX wrote: post #86
atdrummond wrote: post #83

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Where can I read more about this?

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/574921-former-... https://theintercept.com/2021/09/29/steven-donziger-sentenci...

Why haven't humans designed a better ethics system for attorneys?

Re: Facebook’s documents about Instagram and teens, published

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Post by RNCTX »

BrianOnHN wrote: post #93
RNCTX wrote: post #86

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https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/574921-former-... https://theintercept.com/2021/09/29/steven-donziger-sentenci...

Why haven't humans designed a better ethics system for attorneys?

People like Jerry Nadler, Chuck Schumer, and Kirsten Gillibrand cashing Chevron checks probably would probably argue that it is better... for them.

Re: Facebook’s documents about Instagram and teens, published

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Post by dogorman »

thrav wrote: post #18
haswell wrote: post #6

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> But the culture of materialism and obsession with status was there well before social media has come into the picture. This is a pretty gross generalization of an entire country filled with diverse people, a significant number of whom do not match this description at all, now or before social media. On what are you basing this? This sounds like the kind of conclusion you might draw by using social media as a measur…

My evidence is only anecdotal, but as someone who grew up in, and lived all over America, and lived abroad, I couldn’t agree more with OP. My friends in London, and their friends, many of whom grew up quite wealthy, were nearly indistinguishable from anyone else in London. They rarely bought anything (except drugs), even on vacation (I traveled with a few a couple different times). In America, people proudly declare…

In the rural Pennsylvanian I grew up in, the multimillionaire family that owned the town plant went to the same church as most of the rest of the town (excepting catholics), sent their kids to the same public school, and generally socialized freely with the rest of the town. One of their daughters was the same age as me and, although not a friend, was a close acquaintance for as long as I can remember up until the end of highschool when I moved away. That family was as you describe, 'nearly indistinguishable' from the rest of the town. Nearly indistinguishable, except there was no mistaking who they were because the plant was named after them, as was the highschool's football field (which they apparently paid for.) Also, the nearest "shopping mall" was about half an hour away. Shopping as a hobby was alien to me, nobody I knew did that until I went to college.

Point is, America is a big place. If you think you understand America after watching a bunch of American movies and TV shows, you probably don't.

Re: Facebook’s documents about Instagram and teens, published

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Post by cmoscoso »

closeparen wrote: post #33
GhettoComputers wrote: post #19

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What is my lazy, poor taste or political opinion? You are attacking my post with no evidence or counter points, a emotional response that isn't based on anything other than hearsay, the first section is a strawman, and the second is how your sample bias should dismiss any other experiences. Is it not hypocritical to dismiss the effect of social media on suicide, such as by cyber bullying? My experience with social me…

Social media is one of dozens of social changes in the last N years. You can line any one of them up next to any bad outcome. This is not generally being done from a place of epistemic humility or interest in establishing causation. It’s just “thing I already don’t like lines up with bad outcome, see how right I am not to like it!” If that’s not what you’re doing, I don’t mean it as an attack on you. I just think we’…

What other social changes have taken place in the last years?

Re: Facebook’s documents about Instagram and teens, published

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Post by haswell »

thrav wrote: post #74
marcellus23 wrote: post #51

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So you observed a difference between one set of people you know and another, and you're expanding that to the entire countries those people are from?

Did I make claims about entire countries, or did I readily admit that I was only sharing my own small taste, explicitly stating that it shouldn’t be sufficient for broad conclusions?

To be fair, the OP said:

> The biggest culture shock I had coming to North America, how materialistic, exhibitionistic and keeping-up-with-the-joneses *the whole culture is*

And you replied

> My evidence is only anecdotal, but as someone who grew up in, and lived all over America, and lived abroad, *I couldn’t agree more with OP*

You then went on to share your anecdote, seemingly to back up your opening statement. Maybe it wasn't your intent to make broad claims, but when reading your comment in the context of the parent comments, it's easy to conclude just that.

Re: Facebook’s documents about Instagram and teens, published

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Post by theyx »

spunker540 wrote: post #60
GhettoComputers wrote: post #9

https://www.apa.org/monitor/2019/03/trends-suicide > The suicide rate increased 33 percent from 1999 through 2017, from 10.5 to 14 suicides per 100,000 people (NCHS Data Brief No. 330, November 2018). Rates have increased more sharply since 2006. Suicide ranks as the fourth leading cause of death for people ages 35 to 54, and the second for 10- to 34-year-olds. It remains the 10th leading cause of death overall. >But…

If social media is to blame for the rise in suicide, why has it only affected American teens when it is a global trend?

I am not saying this is the cause, because I’m not American, but maybe Americans use it in a more “harmful” way. Where I live people mostly use Facebook to buy used stuff on the Marketplace and to post memes in their hometown groups.

Re: Facebook’s documents about Instagram and teens, published

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Post by thrav »

haswell wrote: post #97
thrav wrote: post #74

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Did I make claims about entire countries, or did I readily admit that I was only sharing my own small taste, explicitly stating that it shouldn’t be sufficient for broad conclusions?

To be fair, the OP said: > The biggest culture shock I had coming to North America, how materialistic, exhibitionistic and keeping-up-with-the-joneses *the whole culture is* And you replied > My evidence is only anecdotal, but as someone who grew up in, and lived all over America, and lived abroad, *I couldn’t agree more with OP* You then went on to share your anecdote, seemingly to back up your opening statement. Ma…

That’s fair. I appreciate the effort you put into the clarification.

I do agree with OP, but I do not believe either of us have provided sufficient evidence to establish our assertions as indisputable, and wouldn’t have expected my comment to be convincing.

It would be impossible to communicate the life experience that has led me to my belief in a written comment, so I guess a better response to the person who responded to me would’ve been: “I did not arrive at my conclusion in the way that you have suggested, but I do stand by my broad belief.”

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