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Post by tablespoon »

ginko wrote: post #85
tablespoon wrote: post #84

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> Targetting guanzhou would already wipe out any gains from capturing taiwan. That doesn't address the lack of MAD nor any vulnerability to a first strike.

It's you who brought up MAD. For a small country like Taiwan it may be enough to make the attack painful enough that it's not worth it to larger power. This essentially was(and is) Switzerland's defence strategy.

> For a small country like Taiwan it may be enough to make the attack painful enough that it's not worth it to larger power. This essentially was(and is) Switzerland's defence strategy.

It's worth noting that China isn't just "a larger power," it has a particular fixation on Taiwan. It may not be deterred as easily as you think. IIRC, Taiwan acquiring nuclear weapons is one of their stated red lines that would trigger a war.

If Taiwan managed to nuke a Chinese city when it's invaded, it would probably just make the Chinese madder.

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Post by tomjen3 »

tablespoon wrote: post #76
esyir wrote: post #67

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The solution for Taiwan is obvious. Nuclearization. The only way for a country of that size to resist a superpower is to ensure that that superpower loses their capital if they dare bite.

> The only way for a country of that size to resist a superpower is to ensure that that superpower loses their capital if they dare bite. That's not MAD. Also I'm not sure if it's even plausible that Taiwan could successfully target Beijing even if it had nukes. Would their system be able to survive a first strike? Would it be able to penetrate hundreds of miles of Chinese air defenses or defeat an ABM system? IIRC,…

Taiwan is less than twice the size of Israel, so they would only need to create a few bombs, attach perpetual countdown timers to them and smuggle them into Beijing. If China attacks Taiwan, the bombs don't get reset and go of. If China does the same to Taiwan they have a mutally assured destruction.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by ashtonkem »

petra wrote: post #69
kesselvon wrote: post #65

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Nuclear weapons are a technology that is almost 100 years old, and is old enough for a country like North Korea to pull off. It has a space program with rockets, a nuclear power sector, etc. It's the thing you do when you want all the pieces for a potential nuclear weapons program without signaling that you're looking to develop a nuclear weapons program. I think the current contemporary estimate is that Japan could…

Isn't 6 to 12 months that ages in wartime ?

The presumption is that they’d begin building them once they decide that America won’t guarantee their safety, not once China declares war.

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Post by mullen »

esyir wrote: post #67
roenxi wrote: post #13

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China is a superpower. The future is bleak for Taiwan. But India has nukes, Japan can probably produce nukes in short order, Korea is in a state of hyper-militarisation for unrelated reasons and the US, insofar as they are active in the region, have nukes. It doesn't matter what the CCP wants, they might get away with Taiwan but it is hard to see what the follow up would be where Shanghai still gets to have skyscrape…

The solution for Taiwan is obvious. Nuclearization. The only way for a country of that size to resist a superpower is to ensure that that superpower loses their capital if they dare bite.

This would be a terrible idea for Taiwan since every country that supports Taiwan is down wind of China. South Korea, Japan and the US do not want nuclear fallout coming over their territory. It makes coming to Taiwan's aid a lot more difficult both logistically and politically.

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Post by andrekandre »

ulzeraj wrote: post #46
colordrops wrote: post #41

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The goal of capitalism was never to concentrate wealth in the hands of a tiny minority, regardless of the ideology of the nation.

That makes no sense. Capitalism has no goal. Capitalism is the market and the market are people. You might not like the results but saying it is alive and has a goal sound exactly like conspiracy theorists who believe in NWO and the Illuminati.

  > Capitalism is the market and the market are people.
markets can (and did) exist before capitalism

https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/042215/what-differe...

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by toxik »

pphysch wrote: post #68
jeswin wrote: post #24

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Indeed. In other CCP news, they forced a Colorado highschool to edit their website to say Taiwan is a province of China. The school complied, so that the kids could attend United Nations Commission on the Status of Women. [1] 1: https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-makes-sure-everyone-write...

For some perspective, this is still nothing compared to what the government of Israel has recently achieved in manipulating the American education system [1]. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#Amawi_v._Pfluger...

What-aboutism at its finest.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by totony »

tablespoon wrote: post #72
schuke wrote: post #14

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Basic Orwell 101: Eternal war is a prerequisite for totalitarian rule. The war doesn't have to be real but the appearance of war or preparations for war is a must. Look at North Korea. It's almost always on brink of war with the South. China is moving in NK's direction so people feel war is coming. It's not, it's just that China is becoming more totalitarian. The ruling class don't care, don't want and actually canno…

> Basic Orwell 101: Eternal war is a prerequisite for totalitarian rule. I like Orwell, but people schematize real things into his examples too much, especially 1984. It's better to pay attention to the real thing as it is. For instance, I think it's a serious possibility that China will mainly use economic power to expand its empire, by using markets to foster dependency in ways you can't really do if you've swallow…

To be fair, you're describing the USA over the past century

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Post by justicezyx »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #4

What the CCP's been doing over the past couple of months is worrying. I wish there were a nicer explanation but it almost looks like they're preparing for war, or at least increasing confrontation.

I think CCP is indeed preparing for a war over Taiwan. There are plenty activities recently pointing to the mutual independence between China and US, in economy, cultural, military etc.

I don't believe there is an active war plan in place. But it looks like at least CCP is laying the foundation for a war, so that there might be chance for US to concede wholy to relinquish their support for Taiwan Independence.

Well, I guess that's better than a nuclear war.

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Post by justicezyx »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #12
roenxi wrote: post #9

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"If you want peace, prepare for war" It is very scary in the Asia-Pacific region. But in recent times the wars of note have been America v. [various smoking craters]. In the local area, China, India, Japan & Korea all know how war works, and the SEA nations might be surprising. It is early to start worrying about China starting something. It is a scarier thought imagining them responding to something else.

I have friends and family in the Mainland. I've lived there myself for years. The CCP does not want peace, not sure where you're getting this from. First they'll take Taiwan at the first sign of American weakness (which may have happened already). Then they'll go for the rest of the world. It's not even a one party state anymore, it's been transformed into an outright totalitarian dictatorship under Xi. Absolute powe…

> The CCP does not want peace, not sure where you're getting this from.

CCP certainly looks like wanting peace, judging against US, which CCP has always been open about to surpass or at least excel...

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by ketralnis »

pphysch wrote: post #68
jeswin wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. In other CCP news, they forced a Colorado highschool to edit their website to say Taiwan is a province of China. The school complied, so that the kids could attend United Nations Commission on the Status of Women. [1] 1: https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-makes-sure-everyone-write...

For some perspective, this is still nothing compared to what the government of Israel has recently achieved in manipulating the American education system [1]. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#Amawi_v._Pfluger...

Two things can be bad
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