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Re: Usage statistics of server-side programming languages for websites

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Post by codegeek »

hexa22 wrote: post #54
jegea wrote: post #25

I think this shows how much HN is a bubble in itself. Most discussions here happen around new/exciting/cool/weird technology. And don't get me wrong, I love those discussions! That's why I come here! But reality outside of this bubble is people building and maintaining web apps as efficiently as possible and PHP hasn't stopped being very efficient. On the contrary, it's getting better with time. Interestingly enough,…

How much of this is just the millions of Wordpress or Nextcloud installations? I’d be more interested in knowing how many unique apps or developers work on each language because in my experience I haven’t actually seen a single php developer other than Wordpress tweakers.

"because in my experience I haven’t actually seen a single php developer "

With all due respect, that is one hell of a bubble :). Plenty of companies use PHP (not just WordPress) and there are plenty of PHP devs who work with core, symfony, Laravel etc.

PHP is battle tested and even though it has its quirks, you can never go wrong with it if you are looking to build a web application.

P.S: We are hiring web developers for our company and PHP experience is preferred considering our stack.

Re: Usage statistics of server-side programming languages for websites

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Post by hparadiz »

Darmody wrote: post #78
chewmieser wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tons of companies still use PHP even for new projects. Likely in part due to its market saturation - it's incredibly easy to find PHP developers. Only developers complain about PHP. And even that isn't really warranted anymore as PHP has grown leaps & bounds since most of the hate.

It's incredibly hard to find good PHP developers. I just inherited a PHP project that it's a nightmare. It doesn't make any sense. It works on PHP 7.3 but the quality is worse than the old PHP 4 stuff. It is so easy to write good PHP code nowadays but most devs don't do it. They just go for the old ways, with spaghetti code, no clear architecture, etc, because it just works. They don't have to think, just type. Thats…

These days if you're not using PSR4 configured auto loading with all your code in the src or tests directory and a separate public folder then you're not really qualified to work on PHP at a professional level.

I highly encourage using this template for all new projects

https://github.com/thephpleague/skeleton

Re: Usage statistics of server-side programming languages for websites

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Post by jonwinstanley »

hexa22 wrote: post #54
jegea wrote: post #25

I think this shows how much HN is a bubble in itself. Most discussions here happen around new/exciting/cool/weird technology. And don't get me wrong, I love those discussions! That's why I come here! But reality outside of this bubble is people building and maintaining web apps as efficiently as possible and PHP hasn't stopped being very efficient. On the contrary, it's getting better with time. Interestingly enough,…

How much of this is just the millions of Wordpress or Nextcloud installations? I’d be more interested in knowing how many unique apps or developers work on each language because in my experience I haven’t actually seen a single php developer other than Wordpress tweakers.

I do PHP and haven't touched Wordpress for years. Laravel and Symfony are great projects for building web apps with.

Re: Usage statistics of server-side programming languages for websites

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Post by lasereyes136 »

christophilus wrote: post #3
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #2

I wonder if this is because the report includes wordpress web sites.

Why wouldn’t it?

The implication is that WordPress sites don't represent what people are using to build software these days. This may or may not be a valid point of view depending on what you really want to know.

Re: Usage statistics of server-side programming languages for websites

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Post by blodkorv »

I use php for pretty much everything. Php has a lot going for it, there are tonnes of developers who knows the ecosystem. It works on every OS/plattform there is. The performance is decent. Any systadmin out there knows how to admin an php application. The tooling is mature and you are not bound to any specific editor or ide.

For me its the perfect language.

Re: Usage statistics of server-side programming languages for websites

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Post by hparadiz »

hexa22 wrote: post #58
57844743385 wrote: post #48

A search of my country’s main job site says approx: 250 Ruby ads 420 PHP ads 1600 Java ads 1600 python ads 1300 .NET ads

This is likely more accurate than the OP link. My experience is that Ruby jobs are less common but that they seem to pay far more.

This is why I recommend converting from Ruby to PHP. Costs are way lower and it's easier to find devs.

Re: Usage statistics of server-side programming languages for websites

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Post by oliwarner »

The last few server-side languages I've used don't use extensions or publish a header banner. In many cases it's just not possible to tell what's running.

w3techs admit as much in their disclaimer. The data and conclusions from it are junk.

> In order to obtain any information from websites, we rely on the websites themselves, their owners or their webmasters to provide such information. Some websites are more open to sharing this type of information than others. Some technologies may provide more means to reveal information about their usage than others.

Re: Usage statistics of server-side programming languages for websites

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Post by thehappypm »

57844743385 wrote: post #48

A search of my country’s main job site says approx: 250 Ruby ads 420 PHP ads 1600 Java ads 1600 python ads 1300 .NET ads

New job postings is a good metric for new web sites, but new sites are a tiny fraction of the total internet.

Re: Usage statistics of server-side programming languages for websites

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Post by dncornholio »

johntdaly wrote: post #84
dncornholio wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would PHP want to go away? It's developing and there's plenty of software being written in it now and it will continue to do so. There's not much wrong with modern PHP. Symfony and Laravel projects are a joy to work with. The standards and tooling is there too with composer, phpunit, PSR-4. I don't think you've ever been into PHP if you was only wrenching in old projects.

Dude I am old. When I was working with PHP I had to watch out for diffs between 4.x and 5.x servers. Hell, I think we hat some old 3.x code even. Frameworks where new, composer didn’t exist and I was getting annoyed of getting Paamayim Nekudotayim as an Error because the where limitations in the engine when it comes to finding the static methods of a class instance. Thing is those OLD projects where new when I was wo…

I was using MooTools before jQuery ever was a thing but you don't hear me complaining about PHP. I love PHP and enjoy working on it each and every day.

It's legacy is a hell I agree but quite irrelevant and getting old.

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