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Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by ddingus »

pugets wrote: post #35
ddingus wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So join them. I do not mean ideologically. Just in conversation. More of us learning to talk with one another better is a really good thing. The American idea of leftism varies widely, and on all axis too. A similar thing can be found in the right. Both have populist factions that have a lot in common. Many identify as indie too. They lack a solid party home. Both have moderate and conservative factions too. Authorit…

I tried to do this on a few different sites, but in my experience, there simply aren't enough good-faith actors. The dirtbag left[0] reigns over the nice fellows in leftist circles on Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook. They don't want to engage capitalists in debate... they don't even want anyone in their own ranks playing devil's advocate. They want to call you a chud and take a screenshot of it. [0]: https://en.wikiped…

There are more ways than devil's advocate to have conversations.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by reginold »

cortic wrote: post #61
enumjorge wrote: post #42

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By and large what “isn’t allowed” on major tech platforms is racist, xenophobic, and homophobic content. You can still find a lot of non-PC, fringe content on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and Reddit. I get that censorship in major tech platforms is problematic, but the sense of martyrdom in comments like yours feels a little overwrought.

The definition of what is racist, xenophobic, and homophobic is different from person to person, mod to mod. There are plenty of rational opinions within controversial topics that are just not allowed. This is compounded with the problem of social media that don't allow anonymity, as laws in some western countries actually criminalize rudeness.

Yes, but crazy you have to come out and say this.

Limiting speech means there are plenty of rational opinions we would otherwise miss, options, solutions. It reminds me of that NASA satellite caught throwing away useful data at the system level. If you start editing deeper and deeper eventually you start to throw out important solutions.

We need to keep the solution space as big as possible.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by ddingus »

unraveller wrote: post #22
ddingus wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So join them. I do not mean ideologically. Just in conversation. More of us learning to talk with one another better is a really good thing. The American idea of leftism varies widely, and on all axis too. A similar thing can be found in the right. Both have populist factions that have a lot in common. Many identify as indie too. They lack a solid party home. Both have moderate and conservative factions too. Authorit…

The creators say they don't want people not of their ilk joining so this idea that open debate is welcome is disingenuous. They don't allow anyone to federate with the main instance either if they don't also toe the political line.

I did not say it was welcome. Learning how to talk with others and understand one another better is real work.

I did say it was worth doing, more or less.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by yarcob »

enumjorge wrote: post #42
peakaboo wrote: post #30

People who don't see why platforms like these are critically important has never had an opinion that isn't allowed on the major tech platforms.

By and large what “isn’t allowed” on major tech platforms is racist, xenophobic, and homophobic content. You can still find a lot of non-PC, fringe content on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter and Reddit. I get that censorship in major tech platforms is problematic, but the sense of martyrdom in comments like yours feels a little overwrought.

The problem isn't only with being outright blocked, the problem is also that some topics trigger immediate outrage and can't be discussed openly.

For example, try talking about a need for safe spaces for X, and you will immediately get abuse from random strangers complaining that you aren't thinking about Y.

Or try saying anything about treatment Z side effects. You'll be downvoted and insulted for not sufficiently trusting the science.

Some discussions just work better in a less open, moderated forum, where people will try to engage with you, rather than having an angry internet mob materialize out of thin air whenever their trigger topic is mentioned.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by reginold »

cortic wrote: post #87
reginold wrote: post #50

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What would you say if you were truly anonymous?

That's a really great question; There are important conversations within the LGBT that would be really interesting, but asking questions that could be construed years later as homophobic, no matter now innocent can publicly destroy people. I'd love to have a discussion breaking down certain ideologies, including the merits as well as demerits of certain controversial groups. But this could actually cross into crimina…

Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Can you imagine the raw curiosity and interest we could unleash? Seems like incredible potential.

On the flip side, we have the ability for systems to mine through words and sentence structure and identify commonalities. Perhaps there's like an "on screen keyboard" for conveying meaning without giving up your specific grammar patterns. This kind of editing is so costly for the human race :(

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by throwawaysea »

reginold wrote: post #43
unraveller wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The creators say they don't want people not of their ilk joining so this idea that open debate is welcome is disingenuous. They don't allow anyone to federate with the main instance either if they don't also toe the political line.

Can you explain what "don't allow anyone to federate with the main instance" means in this case? Is it like you can host your own server, but the "index" of servers at lenny.ml won't list you unless you meet their standards? Seems acceptable to me (anyone else can host their own index right?) just trying to understand.

Yes it’s like that. Mastodon has the same thing going on, where the main index from their official site and the biggest instances won’t peer with you (let your users and theirs interact in each other’s instances) unless you implement their rules and moderation requirements in your instance. For mastodon what that means is that instances that aren’t progressive/far left aren’t welcome and are essentially not viable because they have no user base or network effects to seed their community with.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by reginold »

iamnotwhoiam wrote: post #89
reginold wrote: post #71

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Fascinating. So anonymity brings limitations for you over what you would "normally say". Why post here then under a pseudonym?

Me doxing myself in an anonymous forum doesn't make discussion any better if everyone else is anonymous. It just opens me up to real life attacks. Plus, honestly non-anonymous discussion of controversial subjects might actually be worse. You still get maximally aggressive interpretation, but you actually know each other so you can lose real friends. Discussing anything on the internet that makes anyone feel emotional…

I love the internet :) Thanks for the thoughtful reply. This chunk of the thread has some thought provoking responses. You've never opened up a journal or text document and written gleefully knowing no one else could ever read what you wrote?

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by ddingus »

pugets wrote: post #35
ddingus wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So join them. I do not mean ideologically. Just in conversation. More of us learning to talk with one another better is a really good thing. The American idea of leftism varies widely, and on all axis too. A similar thing can be found in the right. Both have populist factions that have a lot in common. Many identify as indie too. They lack a solid party home. Both have moderate and conservative factions too. Authorit…

I tried to do this on a few different sites, but in my experience, there simply aren't enough good-faith actors. The dirtbag left[0] reigns over the nice fellows in leftist circles on Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook. They don't want to engage capitalists in debate... they don't even want anyone in their own ranks playing devil's advocate. They want to call you a chud and take a screenshot of it. [0]: https://en.wikiped…

Secondly, it does not have to be leftists vs capitalists.

There are parts of society well served by markets and other parts that really aren't. Same goes for applying socialist ideas to problems.

Recognizing just that fact is a basis for conversation that can lead somewhere meaningful for all involved.

Re: Lemmy – A link aggregator for the fediverse

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Post by reginold »

b112 wrote: post #85
reginold wrote: post #49

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How strange they would include word filters that are hard to edit. Seems counter to their whole mission...what? Edit: actually it would make sense if word filters themselves were hard to add. But having their own filter and making that hard to edit is bonkers.

Reading the whole bug, it's literally a political stance with no teeth or real purpose. It's bizarrely all for show, serves no real purpose, is functionally deficient, and the DEVs know this. Further, a 10 line script could easily patch each new version, replacing the hardcoded code with a loadable text file. Done. Updates would take zero time to deploy. It's all about taking a position. Taking a position is fine. Bu…

Super strange. One of those artifacts that makes you question the whole project. One of the powers of diving in super deep is you can start to notice internal consistency or dissonance quicker. With this as an example.
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