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Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by MrStonedOne »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #35

To clarify, though, this is just an issue for people who are deliberately getting preview builds (aka beta testers), correct? The article feels pretty click-baity with that critical detail not part of the title.

internet downloaded ads shouldn't be able to break your computers.

like, even in a buggy system, it shouldn't happened, and there is clearly not enough isolation, something that isn't gonna get fixed in a release candidate and be prepared for this to somehow turn into a ring0 exploit later down the line.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by userbinator »

PostThisTooFast wrote: post #27
meibo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a shame too. Windows 10 is a great modern OS that everyone expected to last and be built upon, but they just had to go and push out a new "modernized" version and fill it up with ads. I wonder what you pay to be in the Windows 10 Pro start menu and if it's really worth selling out their professional userbase.

How is it a "great modern OS?" Internally? Because its UI and user experience are a shitshow. Settings are scattered everywhere. Windows have no toolbars, title bars, or borders to distinguish them from the one they're overlapping. Menu bars are missing. There are access-prohibited shadows of user directories all over the place in Explorer. The color-scheme editor is simply gone. It's still full of peek-a-boo and Eas…

Windows have no toolbars, title bars, or borders to distinguish them from the one they're overlapping.

...and let's not forget removing color from the active window's titlebar, so it was eye-searingly white like all the others, then reluctantly adding it back as an optional setting in an "update" later.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/how-to-resto...

When stuff like that seems to happen almost regularly, I really wonder who's running the show at MS. Destroying two decades of UI refinement takes active (and IMHO almost malicious) effort, not mere ignorance.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by ajdude »

fabianhjr wrote: post #90
clavicat wrote: post #34

Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world, yet Microsoft does not treat it like the most important piece of software in the entire world. They have no sense of responsibility about foisting this garbage onto billions of users. I've been a lifelong Windows user, but I've come to feel that Windows needs to be completely replaced. We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical…

> We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical software any longer. We generally don't, most servers and mission critical infrastructure runs Linux or a BSD. What scares me is that many medical devices do run on Windows and that is a future Therac-25 like incident waiting to happen ( https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Therac-25 )

Some years ago I went to the dentist and had to get x-rays done on my teeth. After a fair bit of time going through all of the different angles, the technician apologized to me and said that we have to do it all again.

The computer tied to the x-ray machine did a forced restart for Windows update, this is back in the days of Windows 7, and I had to get my teeth x-rayed all over again after we sat and waited for 20 minutes.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

#94

Post by pixel_fcker »

cameronh90 wrote: post #26
whalesalad wrote: post #14

This is the achilles heel of Microsoft. They will cannibalize a successful part of their business in order to subsidize/bootstrap/launch or even straight-up force the adoption of new service. Every Windows release gets progressively worse when it comes to Microsoft's integrated services and how obtrusive they are. The cherry on top is the fact that Windows 10 Pro is $199 and yet you'll still feel like you are flying…

Hasn't this behaviour been the case since at least Windows 98? I'd say Windows has improved a lot since then! Remember Active Desktop, the Channel Bar and MSNBC? I may have misgivings about certain things in modern desktops but Windows 10, OneDrive, Teams, Edge absolutely deliver a better experience for an average user compared to XP, Microsoft Briefcase, Windows Messenger and IE6 - and XP was one of the good ones!

Teams is a strong contender for most aggravating software ever written.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by exporectomy »

marcodiego wrote: post #65
mulmen wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t see how the GUI makes Windows less important. Windows is everywhere .

> Windows is everywhere. Not on the cellphone, smartv, router, supercomputer, webserver or tablet I use. Actually, they all run the same (with some customization) kernel.

The comment was about importance, not popularity. Those aren't mainly used for important work. If people are paying you to use the software, it's probably important to them.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by marcodiego »

userbinator wrote: post #92
PostThisTooFast wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it a "great modern OS?" Internally? Because its UI and user experience are a shitshow. Settings are scattered everywhere. Windows have no toolbars, title bars, or borders to distinguish them from the one they're overlapping. Menu bars are missing. There are access-prohibited shadows of user directories all over the place in Explorer. The color-scheme editor is simply gone. It's still full of peek-a-boo and Eas…

Windows have no toolbars, title bars, or borders to distinguish them from the one they're overlapping. ...and let's not forget removing color from the active window's titlebar, so it was eye-searingly white like all the others, then reluctantly adding it back as an optional setting in an "update" later. https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/how-to-resto... When stuff like that seems to happen almost regular…

They won't change until they have competition.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by marcodiego »

exporectomy wrote: post #87
dstaley wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize this issue was on Windows 11, an unreleased operating system correct? I'm not saying Windows 10 hasn't had its share of critical issues, but I can't remember the last time Microsoft released widely a show-stopping bug to the LTS branch of Windows (that is, the branch you'd be using for "mission-critical" applications).

It's not just defects, it's ridiculous design choices. Why does almost every single Windows user on the planet have their attention occasionally taken by something utterly pointless to them like "3D Objects" or "Onedrive" when they look for a file, or choosing between "Edit with Photos", "Edit with Paint 3D", and "Edit"? And choose between "Settings" and "Control Panel" which seem like different skins of the same thi…

Actually the 2 sets of settings is understandable. They probably had to give it the "modern look" but for compatibility and how users were used to the old "control panel" they had to keep it too. And now you have both!

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by [deleted] »

clavicat wrote: post #34

Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world, yet Microsoft does not treat it like the most important piece of software in the entire world. They have no sense of responsibility about foisting this garbage onto billions of users. I've been a lifelong Windows user, but I've come to feel that Windows needs to be completely replaced. We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical…

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Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by kroltan »

dstaley wrote: post #40
clavicat wrote: post #34

Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world, yet Microsoft does not treat it like the most important piece of software in the entire world. They have no sense of responsibility about foisting this garbage onto billions of users. I've been a lifelong Windows user, but I've come to feel that Windows needs to be completely replaced. We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical…

You do realize this issue was on Windows 11, an unreleased operating system correct? I'm not saying Windows 10 hasn't had its share of critical issues, but I can't remember the last time Microsoft released widely a show-stopping bug to the LTS branch of Windows (that is, the branch you'd be using for "mission-critical" applications).

I think it was back in 2018, there was a bugged mandatory Windows Update package that was corrupted for weeks.

The system would ask you to reboot the computer, at which point it would try to install the update. That failed with a bluescreen, requiring an automatic restore. This process took around 30 minutes on an SSD.

So far seems innocuous, but the thing is, as this was a mandatory update, after one or two days it would display an un-dismissable popup over the entire screen demanding a restart, which would repeat the process above.

This caused data loss in applications if the user didn't have the opportunity to save whatever data was in memory. Remember, the popup is undismissable, there were no ahead of time warnings, and the timing varied (so you couldn't even rely on "the computer will fuck up at 16:03" or whatever).

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