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Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Post by systemvoltage »

eplanit wrote: post #68

There and New Zealand both. The responses (extreme lockdown) of both countries to Covid has been nothing short of insane.

Apparently, you're not allowed to go beyond 5km radius of your house. Can someone in Australia confirm the details of the lockdown?

Virus is here to stay for many years, if not decades. We're never going to eliminate it. It is time we push back on draconian measures in the name of covid.

Unrelated but I can't even go to bathroom in SF city because every restaurant, convenience store, gas station, etc. have an excuse to say that because of COVID restrictions, restrooms are closed. I was fine with Gov-mandated measures last year when we didn't have vaccines. But, I am turning against my own self from last year.

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Post by [deleted] »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #5
ghoda wrote: post #2

I don't know where this is going. Perhaps prepping for the global warming riots. Is there a way out of surveillance?

The Australian government has always dreamed fondly of China's control over there population and has been working tireless to get there.

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Post by tshaddox »

elric wrote: post #35
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the police have a warrant to watch you, then, no. But that is as it should be. As long as there is correct judicial oversight of these capabilities, then this is the correct way for things to be. Nobody should have an expectation of being able to conduct criminal business without surveillance. The issue comes in when the justice system is not providing correct oversight for this capability. That is wrong and shoul…

> If the police have a warrant to watch you, then, no. But that is as it should be. Is it? Any government could make $thing illegal tomorrow. Anyone associated with $thing could then be watched and imprisoned. With judicial oversight. Some possible values from $thing taken from history: being gay, (not) being christian, being a pacifist, being poor/homeless The above have all been persecuted in the past. Sometimes in…

> Any government could make $thing illegal tomorrow.

Okay, but if a government wasn’t legally allowed to surveil you, they could change the law tomorrow so that they could legally surveil you. I’m not sure what this mode of argument really shows.

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Post by afandian »

yakz wrote: post #34

I guess my days as a paying customer of FastMail are coming to an end. I don’t expect to ever become a legitimate target of Australian law enforcement, but there is always abuse.

Me too, and I just submitted a support request seeking clarification. I'll update with any reply I get.

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Post by UnseenTraveller »

nemo44x wrote: post #26

It's a good thing everyone surrendered their firearms to this same government. Once they know you can't resist anything they can do anything to you. I'm guessing NZ is next now that they've confiscated nearly every firearm they could.

Guns in the hands of idiots. That always works out well.

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Post by [deleted] »

merlinscholz wrote: post #90
guerrilla wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's terrible news. I wonder how this will interact with ProtonMail (which I just switched to.) On the other hand, I don't think you can draw your conclusion from those two examples. Also, other than the cantons of Appenzell Innerrhoden and Glarus, Switzerland isn't really a direct democracy, semi-direct at best. You'll notice they have representatives in a federal structure, despite having mechanisms for some dire…

One advantage of ProtonMail is that they are not easy to tamper with, as the data is encrypted with the password you provide at login which is (hopefully) not being stored.

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Post by systemvoltage »

hughrr wrote: post #57
yakz wrote: post #34

I guess my days as a paying customer of FastMail are coming to an end. I don’t expect to ever become a legitimate target of Australian law enforcement, but there is always abuse.

Well fuck I just moved to Fastmail. Who else is out there? And no I’m not self hosting.

Same, I paid for 3 years upfront. I love FastMail UI and nothing comes close to it. :-(

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Post by morganvachon »

yakz wrote: post #34

I guess my days as a paying customer of FastMail are coming to an end. I don’t expect to ever become a legitimate target of Australian law enforcement, but there is always abuse.

Agreed, which sucks because no other service out there is better at their prices. And I have everything important tied to that address. I have never been to Australia and don't ever plan to, but the fact that any government can legally plant data on my account and then try to prosecute me for it is scary as hell. Given that Australia and the US are part of the "Five Eyes", it's not a stretch to believe they can construct a case out of planted evidence and push it to the FBI as a joint investigation.

Re: Surveilance bill rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours

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Post by 908B64B197 »

cryptonector wrote: post #58
908B64B197 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there a way out of surveillance? Vote with your feet. Divest out of Australia. Make sure there's a brain drain out of the country.

Leaving Australia is currently very difficult for Australians in Australia even if they reside abroad. But if one could leave, where should they go to?

> Leaving Australia is currently very difficult for Australians in Australia

Just like Cuba and Eastern Europe when the USSR was still around. Wonder why.

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