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Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by germandiago »

stirlo wrote: post #4

Finally. This is exactly how regulators should respond to the market abuse of these technology monopolies. If they wanted to head this off all they had to do was pay a reasonable amount of tax in the country where the revenue was generated and offer a reasonable (single percentage) fee for facilitating payments. They chose not to so they reap what they sow

one of the first regulations that make sense: more free market.

As long as there are regulators with a lot of power there will be incentive to corruption anyway.

I like free competition. Something that Google and Apple were trying to prevent.

But putting all in the hands of an ever-increasing state is not the way to go either. Though I gree with the decision.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

jaywalk wrote: post #60
dalbasal wrote: post #31

The concessions Apple & Google made to "stave off regulation" are informative in themselves: It also agreed to let developers inform their users about payment options outside the App Store, using the email addresses that users gave them. Google said that it would only take 15 percent of developers' first million dollars instead of 30 percent. Combined with "competition for monopoly" elements like paying Telcoms not t…

Net Neutrality just meant that Google got to shovel YouTube streams onto ISP networks without having to pay. Let's not pretend there were ever any noble intentions behind it.

What do you mean “without having to pay”? Google pays for its connection to the internet, right?

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by seanalltogether »

simondotau wrote: post #80
jpambrun wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This argument is nonsensical.. I should be able to use my fully-paid-for device how I see fit.

Apologies if I wasn't clear. I'm talking about the relationship between Apple and developers who are building applications using Apple's proprietary software libraries. I completely agree that consumers should have very wide rights to the device they purchased.

Should I pay Apple for the right to build a Mac app, or Windows for using their desktop apis? Maybe I should have to pay mozilla and google every time someone visiting my website and I use a piece of javascript that executes in their browsers?

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by sumedh »

MDWolinski wrote: post #78

I'm wondering how this will eventually play out if most companies start requiring Apple/Google to allow third-party apps to use their own payment system. The commission fee that Apple charges, 30% is partially to cover operating/marketing etc. Obviously, Apple makes a good profit off the App Store these days, even though Jobs said he'd be happy if it was break even at best. Here's an analogy I've been thinking on abo…

> If you want your product to be sold in Walmart

No one is forcing you to go through Walmart. The problem with IOS is that you are forced to go through Apple. A user cannot pay, download and install the app directly from a developers website.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by ballenf »

MDWolinski wrote: post #78

I'm wondering how this will eventually play out if most companies start requiring Apple/Google to allow third-party apps to use their own payment system. The commission fee that Apple charges, 30% is partially to cover operating/marketing etc. Obviously, Apple makes a good profit off the App Store these days, even though Jobs said he'd be happy if it was break even at best. Here's an analogy I've been thinking on abo…

Walt Disney looked at Disneyworld/land as ideally break even. Sad how they both lost the battle for vision to the accountants. Disney parks now feels like a nightmare game with IAP at every turn. You grind through ride lines or can pay to skip them. Food, toys, etc that you see everyone else enjoying and feel a nearly irresistible pull to buy.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by sleepydog »

mrtksn wrote: post #40
stirlo wrote: post #4

Finally. This is exactly how regulators should respond to the market abuse of these technology monopolies. If they wanted to head this off all they had to do was pay a reasonable amount of tax in the country where the revenue was generated and offer a reasonable (single percentage) fee for facilitating payments. They chose not to so they reap what they sow

It's going to be a hell for the users and the smaller developers. Devs will have to support multiple platforms, different API and options. Also different legal arrangements would be needed as each country has different laws and processes. Remember the agreements and forms we fill for different countries when we want to sell paid apps/features on App Store? I also can't wait to pay account fees for many app stores and…

I think what will happen is that most developers will offer in-app payments with a discount if you don’t pay through Google or Apple, to reflect the lower cut that alternative payment services would take. This should put pressure on Google and Apple to compete with those payment services, which is a good thing, IMO.

It may reduce the revenue Google and Apple receive, but honestly I think that could be a good thing. They both do much more than maintain their OS. Both companies have suites of apps that they develop in-house and offer for free.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by lotsofpulp »

CrimsonRain wrote: post #81
simondotau wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If someone else doesn't want to pay 30% to Apple, then they should have that right That right? Are you saying developers should have the right to all of Apple's stuff for free, no matter what? Is Apple not allowed to distribute their tools and libraries under a license of their choosing? Should we ignore licenses altogether? Perhaps I don't want to pay the "cost" associated with use of a GPL-licensed library in my…

Apple has no right to restrict any API usage in the iOS that is running on MY hardware that I fully paid them for.

What does “fully paid” mean? Would that allow Apple to sell hardware where they control API usage at a cheaper price than a device where they do not control API?

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by 57844743385 »

The breaking of control of these companies has to go much further.

Businesses build on the platform and can be killed in an instant by some arbitrary automated decision to kick the developer off the platform with no recourse.

That’s completely unacceptable.

Also, they must be made to pay tax. Why do you and I pay for military education, government services education etc but they pay zero?

These big companies are thief kingdoms and parasites on society.

Apple and google have had it good for too long. Something must be done.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by ysavir »

ZoomerCretin wrote: post #84
jaywalk wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Net Neutrality just meant that Google got to shovel YouTube streams onto ISP networks without having to pay. Let's not pretend there were ever any noble intentions behind it.

You think it’s okay for ISPs to double dip on charging their customers for access and then charging their customers’ most popular services (who are frequently competitors of the ISPs) for the privilege of accessing their customers? Why should any ISP think they can charge the source of my bits when I am already paying them for the bandwidth? https://www.theversed.com/2754/riot-games-seek-court-justice... Net Neutrali…

I think the post you're responding to is saying that Google's incentives for supporting net neutrality were self-serving, not noble. They weren't saying that ISP behavior was fine.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by xdennis »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #79
stirlo wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we can all agree that transfer pricing and the Double Irish Dutch sandwich were not intended to be used in the way they have been by modern multinationals.

What is stopping the governments from changing the laws to make it illegal? I do not understand the concept of expecting an entity to pay taxes they are not liable for paying.

These companies paying them not to.
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