Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would argue that middle class today is a lot richer than 50 years ago. Larger average homes. More cars. More trips. Better healthcare. Food is cheaper as a percentage of income.
The middle class has also shrunk, right? Those advances are adjustments in quality of living driven by efficiencies in manufacturing, etc. This would be more on the resource scarcity side and less on the rich/income side. I would exclude food as an indicator since that is heavily subsidized. Healthcare has also increased substantially as a percentage of income.
Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice
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Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice
#92This seems like a good place to be vulnerable and ask for advice. I am 35 and still spend like in a teenager. I grew up really poor where if the money didn’t get spent right away it would just sort of disappear, into drugs or beer or whatever my mom and stepdad were spending it on. My only real asset is my house which has appreciate significantly in value, but all it would take is one job loss to get me behind on tha…
You know what you're doing is unhealthy but you can't stop. A good mental health professional can help you deal with the pain you're trying to cover up with buying junk.
Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice
#93This seems like a good place to be vulnerable and ask for advice. I am 35 and still spend like in a teenager. I grew up really poor where if the money didn’t get spent right away it would just sort of disappear, into drugs or beer or whatever my mom and stepdad were spending it on. My only real asset is my house which has appreciate significantly in value, but all it would take is one job loss to get me behind on tha…
> I wish I could put money into an account that would then only disburse small amounts of it over the year, and I couldn’t override that. I think this is called a trust: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_law Also, if you are so inclined, check if you can replace your habit of trawling Amazon for stuff to buy with trawling Amazon looking for stuff to buy in the future . Personally, looking forward to buying the th…
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#94Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice
#95This seems like a good place to be vulnerable and ask for advice. I am 35 and still spend like in a teenager. I grew up really poor where if the money didn’t get spent right away it would just sort of disappear, into drugs or beer or whatever my mom and stepdad were spending it on. My only real asset is my house which has appreciate significantly in value, but all it would take is one job loss to get me behind on tha…
On the emotional management / discipline front, I’d suggest also exploiting the similarities between personal finances and healthy living. If money is particularly painful for you, try forming simple habits like going on a 10 minute walk each morning, or eating healthy 1 day a week.
Small actions like that will help you prove to yourself that you can make changes, and you can ride that proof emotionally to make bigger changes incrementally over time.
An example would be 1 day a week of not eating out, which becomes a $10 per week saving habit, then moving to 2 days and $20.
Re: Personal finance experts don’t get wealthy by following their own advice
#96There are three levers for increasing wealth: increase savings rate, increase income, increase rate of return. For the average person, these are listed in order of difficulty, hence why most personal finance advice starts with increasing your savings rate. Owning a small business is a chance at increasing rate of return. That's playing personal finance on hard mode for the average person. If you are risk averse, you'…
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#97You’ll never get rich unless you start a business. Oh by the way, lucky you, I happen to be selling tips for making millions off a blog (just click this sponsored link. I made $6M with mine, I swear). Seriously, since when did HN decide to sponsor this kind of self-interested clickbait?
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think an even deeper question is, is it possible for the masses to get rich and what would the macroeconomics look like? I would think competition and resource scarcity would prevent this.
It’s not scientific, but MMM has an article on this that was insightful in how society could change for the better as a result: https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/04/09/what-if-everyone-...
I do understand and agree with the part about increased productivity (decreased scarcity and cost) raising quality of life. I just don't see that applying to everyone equally (companies will keep some of that cost decrease as profit and return some to investors but not everyone can afford to be investors). I think there are a lot of finer points the article glosses over, especially around inefficiencies. And of course this is far from a settled topic as there are many economists debating this sort of thing.
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#99I'd just like to point out the irony of the bolded, all caps statement in this article, "You’ll NEVER get rich by working for someone else", the recent HN frontpage article about how Tim Cook got a $750 million payout working for Apple, and that the title of this post is "All Personal Finance Experts Are Liars".
It’s totally false even ignoring extreme outliers like Tim Cook. The reason there are so many angel investors in the Bay Area is because of the feedback loop of ipos giving regular employees 1-5M pretty often (and 5-50M+ less often). It’s also part of the reason a pretty unremarkable and small home on the peninsula costs $3M.
The underlying gist of “You’ll NEVER get rich by working for someone else” is that you should look for opportunities to build wealth that’s not tied to hour-by-hour labor. You can do this by owning your own business, or by looking for ways to own equity in valuable assets beyond your regular job.
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#100The big thing you have to know about Dave Ramsey is he has a biblical approach to debt, not practical. God says debt is bad so it should be avoided.
This leads to some odd advice.
Dave advocates working as much as possible during college to avoid student loans but neglects that, in the aggregate, the more hours a student works the poorer their grades and the less likely they will graduate.
He also advocates stopping 401k contributions until you're out of debt (because he believes debt is evil). That's almost never a great move financially if your employer has a decent 401k match. A better idea is to drop anything above the match until high interest debt is paid off.
His advice is very one sized fits all and he does have a point that many people can't control themselves with debt.
I'm really not a fan of the way he talks to his callers calling them stupid either, especially when he doesn't realize he doesn't really understand his caller's situation. He got super belligerent with a woman who didn't know exactly her husband's pay (who was a servicemember) and basically said she needed a marriage counselor because she didn't have an exact figure. (She said "around $xyz") But it seems he doesn't understand a significant portion comes in the form of several different allowances that are tax free and change based on their current orders, POC, and rank, so it's totally normal to have a non-precise figure off the ttopof your head.