Wait, governments are still using zoom? WTF?
Yes, there is version of zoom specifically for government. https://www.zoomgov.com/
Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government
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Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government
#92I use Zoom for the simple reason that it provides end to end encryption and can seamlessly support large (50+) team meetings. Other than WebEx, which is more cost-prohibitive and has a clunkier UI/UX to boot, I believe there are no other video conferencing apps that can provide the service I'm looking for (which is 1. E2EE, and 2. support for 50+ attendees). _Is_ there anything else that can provide this, besides Zoo…
E2EE is meaningless with a closed client downloaded by individuals from the service provider.
If the option is "not use any closed-source E2EE video conferencing platform because of ideological purity" or "conferencing platform which promises E2EE and has SLAs and legal contracts backing these claims with the client", for practical purposes the latter wins.
Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone how uses both Zoom and Google Hangouts, there is nothing Zoom offers that Google hangouts does not provide. The quality is the same for both, but at least Hangouts does not install a sketchy client on my machine that constantly runs in the background.
Google hangouts is garbage. I have never had a hangout call that didn’t freeze or have someone dropout. The audio on hangouts is beyond bad and makes people sound completely different than they do in person. The video quality is always grainy on my fiber connection. Zoom doesn’t have these problems for me.
I find it interesting that people have such different experiences with the same tool. I tend to have 2 or 3 hangouts meetings a day and I can't remember the last time there was an issue.
Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone who runs Zoom via the browser (they do deploy a dark pattern to discourage this behavior but there is no good reason to trust them) I find that Hangouts and Teams are both solid alternatives in terms of AV quality. Would be happy to see some actual data on this claim. People prefer the interface they are used to. I personally find Zoom to be really frustrating from an interface angle but that is probably j…
That dark pattern drives me crazy. I use Zoom on Linux and prefer to use it in browser and I still almost always miss the link after having done it several times.
If you use Firefox I recommend https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/zoom-redirect...
Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not their job to name alternatives, it's their job if a tool complies to the laws.
Technically yes, but practically, if someone can't get their job done without breaking rules, they're going to break the rules. If your goal is actual compliance with rules, giving people a way to comply is much more effective.
Tell that the software companies.
You can't demand to change the maw just because software companies want to illegaly collect data from their users.
Why are people always complaining about data protection officers but not the shitty software companies.
They have the tracking and the bugs which endanger their users and most of the time they won't even get punished.
Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
That dark pattern drives me crazy. I use Zoom on Linux and prefer to use it in browser and I still almost always miss the link after having done it several times.
That must be a very dark pattern. I didn't even know it was possible to run Zoom in a browser, and even now that I know I can't figure out how to do it. What's the secret?
The web UI is severely limited compared to the desktop client which is why I suspect they do this (even though I disagree with it).
I've had some very confusing meetings because I worked at a company that required us to use web, but the presenter wasn't and what she was seeing didn't match us which led to some confusing scenarios. Things like the grid view weren't there last I used it and some of the more advanced presenter features just don't do anything for web iirc
Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government
#97Anybody else prefer Google meet over zoom lately? I feel like it's a cleaner layout.
Also depending on the type of calls you have Google Meet can be a lot more usable.
Zoom seems to come from the Seminar/Presentation mindset. By default no one can join until the host does, only the host can share their screen and no one except the host can mute other participants. Most of the default ACLs can be relaxed if the organizer changes their default meeting settings but most people won't.
Google Meet seems to assume some level of trust between the participants which matches my use case much more. So by default anyone can share their screen when they need too and if someone forgets to mute themselves when they take a call someone else can help them out (I have seen a Zoom meeting that had to be abandoned because someone took a call thinking they were on mute.)
I'm not saying that the Zoom defaults are "wrong". In fact they are the safer defaults. But for my most common use case of a meeting between people in the same company the Meet defaults work much better. (Although it is nice when a meeting gets "canceled" because the organizer is out sick and no one can join /s)
Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government
#98I use Zoom for the simple reason that it provides end to end encryption and can seamlessly support large (50+) team meetings. Other than WebEx, which is more cost-prohibitive and has a clunkier UI/UX to boot, I believe there are no other video conferencing apps that can provide the service I'm looking for (which is 1. E2EE, and 2. support for 50+ attendees). _Is_ there anything else that can provide this, besides Zoo…
Telegram?
Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government
#99Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…
When my company first started using Zoom, people were fumbling the controls constantly. In fact, people still do ("Can you see my screen?"), and no one knows what "Optimize for video clip" even means.
I don't think those other platforms are inherently worse, we're just slightly more familiar with Zoom.
Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government
#100Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…
> Offer a comparable alternative, then Here's a few: - https://meet.jit.si/ which you can also self host https://github.com/jitsi - https://bigbluebutton.org/ which you can also self host https://github.com/bigbluebutton I've found that they're especially useful, when integrated with Rocket.Chat https://rocket.chat/ which you can also self host https://github.com/RocketChat That way you have an experience that's a lo…
I think the OP meant options that are as "easy" as click on a link and join a meeting. I use BBB and Mumble but there are others I know who would never know how to set up their own instance or even what github is.