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Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by newbamboo » Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 6:46 PM UTC

fomine3 wrote: post #85

newbamboo wrote: post #54

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Yes. There is a demonstrable lack of need. Contact tracing has not worked and will not work for covid. As new variants emerge that spread faster, this will become even more true. The best measures against covid appear to be old fashioned common sense practices. Pay attention to yourself and if you’re sick stay home. Don’t cough, sneeze or breath on each other unnecessarily. Stand a bit further apart. Be outdoors more…

> As new variants emerge that spread faster, this will become even more true. I thought opposite. Contact tracing should work well for strongly spreading (without much contacting) variant because it just trace nearby user rather than "contact".

Faster spread likely means less severe symptoms. Not necessarily but ceteris paribus most likely.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by newbamboo » Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 6:51 PM UTC

rstuart4133 wrote: post #81

newbamboo wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. There is a demonstrable lack of need. Contact tracing has not worked and will not work for covid. As new variants emerge that spread faster, this will become even more true. The best measures against covid appear to be old fashioned common sense practices. Pay attention to yourself and if you’re sick stay home. Don’t cough, sneeze or breath on each other unnecessarily. Stand a bit further apart. Be outdoors more…

> Contact tracing has not worked and will not work for covid. As an Australian, I can say with certainty contract trace does work for COVID. It is one of the tools Australia uses to keep it's cases near 0. There are caveats of course. Contract tracing's big brother is the lock down, where everybody is forced to isolate. It's the big brother because all contact tracing does is limit the lock down to those who have bee…

I would like to see more evidence contact tracing works in absence of lockdowns and other social distancing measures. Early advocates pointed to South Korea as evidence. And now: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/29/once-a-covid-s...

My sense is, at the very least it doesn’t scale.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by sudosysgen » Wed, Aug 18, 2021, 7:53 PM UTC

chasd00 wrote: post #78

sudosysgen wrote: post #65

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Free societies do have provisions that allow for such things used with parsimony in times of great need. When you're enforcing an actual lockdown, thankfully it only takes a few weeks and people can go back to normal for the next 2-3 months. The tradeoff to liberty and freedom is more complex than it seems. For example, New Zealand did it successfully, and I'd say there was a lot more freedom thanks to the times with…

no, it's not complex at all. A correctly functioning government would be scared to death at even the thought of forcing its citizens into their homes (or anywhere else). A government exists at the pleasure of the governed.

And yet every government in the world has forced their citizens into places far worse than home to save far fewer lives.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by IshKebab » Thu, Aug 19, 2021, 9:29 AM UTC

rtz121 wrote: post #4

Yet again, the difference between conspiracy theory and reality is 6-12 months.

Uhm the 5G conspiracy theory is that it causes Covid. Not that the higher frequencies and smaller cell sizes allow better phone localisation, which is obvious and not a conspiracy theory.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by ABoredBirb » Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 8:25 AM UTC

hansel_der wrote: post #90

ABoredBirb wrote: post #88

Longtime HN lurker here, finally something I can chime in on, as I was involved with the development of the Covid19 tracing app for my country. > limited deployment – any technology requires a sufficiently high number of users; Sure, yes, that's true for anything. > security and privacy concerns – many weaknesses and privacy leakages are documented I am yet to hear of any such cases, when it comes to tracing apps bas…

> I am yet to hear of any such cases, when it comes to tracing apps based on the google/apple tracing API. data leaks in the api itself will come to light, rest assured. but as you said, the problems with everyting besides the vendor-api have already caused a lot of privacy havoc. > ou might get a false positive with a neighbor, by placing your phone next to a wall, but that's really an edge case. in a literal sense;…

You ought to read the whitepaper I linked. I absolutely take privacy seriously in both my job and my private life. What is kept on your phone in the DT3P/Gapple scenario is neither location data nor even a list of "contacts". What it does keep is a list of temporary (15 minutes or less) ids for the last two weeks - this does not reveal how many people youve been in contact with, much less who. It is as privacy respecting as it gets.