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To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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Can spaced repetition be used effectively for things beyond languages? This would have been a godsend had I known about it during college.

I use it for encyclopedia entries and general glossaries, which I gather from PDFs or just online. There is IMO no better way to learn a topic than to memorize an encyclopedia about it.

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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That's exactly what I do. From videos I use losslesscut [1] to isolate the sentences I want to practice on and then turn those into anki flashcards with some custom tools I wrote. [1] https://github.com/mifi/lossless-cut

What else do your tools/scripts do? Does losslesscut work with streaming video or only downloaded files?

If you want to download from YT i recommend NewPipe, better than every dodgy browser extension (i shall install another program on my machine? GTFO) i tried. You can just get the audio too. Android only though .

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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The consensus within the Anki community seems to be that yes, the SuperMemo scheduling algorithm (SM-17) is a bit better than Anki's (SM-2 variant), but not by enough to matter, so you shouldn't worry about it. But when you look into tests people have done to see how much better it is exactly, it's around 30% more efficient. I still use Anki and am grateful for its existence, but this is a huge difference in efficien…

I'm curious about those tests, do you have a link? I'm also curious if there's been any attempts at open-source versions of more recent supermemo algorithms.

Unfortunately there's no single good source for this; 30% is just an approximate aggregate figure I've come up with after seeing various people's posts on different sites.

Some things I could find just now:

Anki vs. SM-8: https://anki.tenderapp.com/discussions/effective-learning/12...

SM-2 vs. SM-17: https://supermemo.guru/wiki/Universal_metric_for_cross-compa...

Anki vs. custom machine learning scheduler: https://old.reddit.com/r/Anki/comments/d0i8uy/improved_algor...

Anki vs SM-17: https://unrelatedwaffle.medium.com/battle-of-the-spaced-repe...

SuperMemo seems to fall behind Anki in the short term (As for open-source implementations, there this: https://github.com/slaypni/SM-15

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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Anki is great... however: ... having used it for the last 4 years to try to memorize vocabulary in certain languages (Spanish & French, recently started Chinese), I think it's a base layer ... (much like how Bitcoiners like to talk about BTC's Blockchain). Reasons: 1. I've tired of it. I need a layer that makes me excited to use it. 2. I've found it far-far less useful for learning other things than rote vocabulary m…

It's much more fun to watch native video / read native materials and put in whole sentences that are just on the tip of your foreign language understanding (i + 1 theory from stephen krashen). Instead of just 1 to 1 vocab mapping, look for chinese tv shows that you enjoy and start to slowly build up vocabulary by mining sentences. Then when you do reviews, not only will you remember the vocabulary, you will also reme…

I highly recommend this. A swedish girl told me that the reason for them being good at enhlish is they don't get localized movies. Helps picking up colloquial uses of language too, realized that watching japanese movies.

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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post #79

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A key for when tablets will replace paper is when refresh rates get so fast drawing mimics ink on paper. Until the lag is eliminated it won't be replaced.

I haven't used them myself, but I've heard that the Remarkable tablets have pretty good lag.

I'm using a remarkable 2 and the lag when writing is almost non-existent. The thing traditional paper has over the e-ink tablet is the ease of shuffling through notes. Sure, I can tag, and organize, and search through notebooks on my tablet, but shuffling through a stack of paper is much faster, without the friction of using a (sometimes clunky) e-ink ui.

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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You know. I've never been interested in these e-ink notebooks where you can write on a digital screen that acts like paper. I've always felt that actual pen and paper were superior. However, if you add some good spaced repetition software to one of these e-notebooks then I think you will have finally surpassed pen and paper for note taking. I'm thinking of something like, you take a note on a page and then save it. A…

A key for when tablets will replace paper is when refresh rates get so fast drawing mimics ink on paper. Until the lag is eliminated it won't be replaced.

We're already there.

The reMarkable (by reports) and Onyx BOOX (by direct experience) both satisfy this requirement.

I picked up the BOOX as an e-book reader, not a note-taking device. It turns out that the note-taking functionality is really, really good.

I still have the objection that notes are stuck in an application-specific interface. Though on balance that's not all bad.

There's also the inherent privacy risk of having an electronic rather than physical record.

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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post #79

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A key for when tablets will replace paper is when refresh rates get so fast drawing mimics ink on paper. Until the lag is eliminated it won't be replaced.

I haven't used them myself, but I've heard that the Remarkable tablets have pretty good lag.

It's 21 milliseconds one reviewer said. And remember, it's a refresh happening under the stylus and under your fingers, so it's not comparable to regular screen refresh times.

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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You know. I've never been interested in these e-ink notebooks where you can write on a digital screen that acts like paper. I've always felt that actual pen and paper were superior. However, if you add some good spaced repetition software to one of these e-notebooks then I think you will have finally surpassed pen and paper for note taking. I'm thinking of something like, you take a note on a page and then save it. A…

It's a good idea. I think the problem with being presented the whole page is that we fool ourselves into thinking we know something. I.e recognition feels like remembering. So it might be better to draw the boxes up front, but I like the concept. https://www.remnote.io/ tries to do something like this but with textual notes.

I just want taking notes and then chopping those notes into spaced repetition items to be separate.

I didn't mean present the entire page, although a link back to the entire page for context would be nice.

Also, being able to remember things by their spacial layout on the page is an advantage, not a flaw. It allows you to employ your spacial and visual memory to help in memorizing concepts and facts.

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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> I believe Anki memorization + regular conversational practice is second only to full immersion as the best learning strategy. I'd extend this: Memory + Synthesis = Useful learning strategy Blindly learning facts with no intent to synthesize them into something else will help you win at trivia contests. Learning to integrate those facts into something else (like conversation, with languages) is how you effectively l…

Nice man. Yes, why not use both immersion and spaced repetition?

Immersion is great if you can do it. When I traveled up Argentina to visit my wife’s family I wrote down a lot of words and phrases that were new to me for cards.

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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I haven't used them myself, but I've heard that the Remarkable tablets have pretty good lag.

I'm using a remarkable 2 and the lag when writing is almost non-existent. The thing traditional paper has over the e-ink tablet is the ease of shuffling through notes. Sure, I can tag, and organize, and search through notebooks on my tablet, but shuffling through a stack of paper is much faster, without the friction of using a (sometimes clunky) e-ink ui.

Well said and I agree. Everything most e-ink tablets do you can already do with paper and pencil, more or less. You can search your notes on the tablet, you can search your notes in a paper notebook, and with the paper notebook you can remember things like "it's towards the back, after X". You can manually tag your e-notes, reality automatically tags your physical notes with things like page wrinkles and spilled coffee stains. So, slightly different but ultimately quite similar for most people.

Again, I think spaced repetition is a killer feature that could finally distinguish an e-ink tablet from paper. I think this idea has more potential for improving learning than almost all the multi-million dollar learning websites out there. It can systematically take you to savant levels of recollection in any topic. And right now this tool is locked behind some clunky text focused UI. (Yes, latex and pictures exist, but they suck when compared to drawing on a page.)

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