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Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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But then don't I become that guy from the xkcd comic whose license plate is all 1s and Is?

Don't drive. You have to register your vehicle with the state and your current address.

It's very confusing, sharing an apartment with all these other guys also called Rusty Shackleford whose phone number is 867-5309.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Wait till it can ID shoplifting, and people get added to a shared database of blacklisted shoppers. You can steal no problem, but one day you'll be approached and asked to leave upon entering almost anywhere.

Meh I think it’s going to be acceptable to wear a mask for at least 5 years, and perhaps indefinitely, which easily defeats facial recognition.

They can already identify people wearing masks [0]:

> a normal face mask doesn’t help you ‘evade’ facial recognition

[0] https://privacyinternational.org/news-analysis/4511/can-covi...

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Last time I was in a Walmart, it felt like they were doing everything they could to communicate they didn't want me to shop at their store. * Gates at the main entrances * Cameras everywhere * "Security" walking through the store in clearly marked uniforms * Self checkouts with UX that clearly communicates a lack of trust.

All that seems like they don't want you to steal at their store by giving deterrent cues. Which parts were practically inconvenient, or slow you down?

It just makes for a shitty experience. I grew up in a blue-collar family and still dress that way, even though I'm firmly upper-middle class now. I took my wife to a high end mall for a her birthday one year, and when we were looking at designer purses, the security in the store followed us the entire time, presumably because their typical customers don't wear jeans, tshirts, and sneakers. We noticed the security in all the stores were doing it, and eventually we just left without buying anything because we didn't like being treated like criminals because of how we dress. Even though we could easily afford to buy things there, we haven't been back to that mall since.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Kroger has felt especially intrusive for a couple of decades; it's almost as though they're going out of their way to be manipulative and creepy, right from the store layout where Pepsi is $87.00 at your feet and Coke is $0.75 at eye level, down to the personalized coupons they send you in the mail. But the big stores that don't have loyalty cards are still slurping up data; they just get it from your credit card and…

My answer is to not worry about it and be glad that these practices lower prices.

Yeah who gives a shit how many tampons I buy

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Kroger has felt especially intrusive for a couple of decades; it's almost as though they're going out of their way to be manipulative and creepy, right from the store layout where Pepsi is $87.00 at your feet and Coke is $0.75 at eye level, down to the personalized coupons they send you in the mail. But the big stores that don't have loyalty cards are still slurping up data; they just get it from your credit card and…

My answer is to not worry about it and be glad that these practices lower prices.

What if they don't actually lower prices, but use your purchase history to learn what gets you to spend more money?

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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When store employees are told not to physically detain any shoplifter, it hardly matters at all if they tell a serial shoplifter to leave the store. The shoplifter will walk around the confronting employee, grab whatever they like off the shelves, and walk out without paying for it. (I've seen this happen numerous times at 7-11, where the facial recognition is being run by store employees using their eyeballs/brains.…

Humans won’t detain anyone, but probably in the future there will be mechanistic countermeasures — e.g. the doors of the store just not opening for shoplifters (or at all, while shoplifters continue to be present — to prevent shoplifters from sneaking in ahead/behind a non-blacklisted customer.) Unmanned stores in the Amazon Go mould are already switching from turnstiles to airlock-style entryways; these can easily r…

I recently saw a viral video of a seagull shoplifting a bag of chips. The automatic doors didn't open for the seagull, so the bird just waited until a permitted human approached the door.

A "mantrap" entrance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantrap_(access_control) ) could solve this, but I think many stores don't have the space for it. That 7-11 doesn't. Also, neither the cops nor the towing company will show up in time to do anything about it.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Kroger has felt especially intrusive for a couple of decades; it's almost as though they're going out of their way to be manipulative and creepy, right from the store layout where Pepsi is $87.00 at your feet and Coke is $0.75 at eye level, down to the personalized coupons they send you in the mail. But the big stores that don't have loyalty cards are still slurping up data; they just get it from your credit card and…

My answer is to not worry about it and be glad that these practices lower prices.

How do they lower prices?

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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This is common the world over. What is not common the world over is that there is this thing called exceptionalism which America uses to tell itself that they are the good guys in everything they do and in general better at everything they do. This is something I haven't experienced anywhere else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

I have never heard any politician here say "British people are x" or that "British people feel y". In America such expressions appear in almost every speech. Likewise for news headlines etc. In the UK the title would be "customers not aware" and the like. This is to give the (correct) impression that the entire nation has in no way been united by this fact. But in the US it seems more common to use terminology that l…

In the UK it's not even limited to people!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiKmqY_RNME

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