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Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by yogthos »

websites2023 wrote: post #48
RegnisGnaw wrote: post #16

I take a much dimmer view of this. Xi knows that climate change is coming and its going to be really bad. One of the issues coming from climate change is food shortage. Food shortage is going to cause riots in US, Canada, and EU for sure. Just based on the vaccine protests/riots, imagine what will happen when rationing is introduced. He's going to crack down hard and control the population, so when the inevitable com…

>Food shortage is going to cause riots in US, Canada, and EU for sure The US (along with France) can easily supply all the food they need to its citizens. Along with the alliances with Mexico and Canada, the US is not going to have food shortages, much less riots. China, on the other hand, is definitely screwed on this front. All of its neighbors are either outright enemies or begrudging allies. As the global order c…

extreme weather is already affecting food production in US and it's only gonna get worse

https://www.agupdate.com/livestockroundup/markets/corn-proje...

some other examples of crop failures currently happening

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/06/midwe...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/19/extreme-heat-wave-hits-us-fa...

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/may/15/austr...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jul/20/crop-fai...

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-02/low-rice-crop-lead...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/climate-and-people...

https://phys.org/news/2019-12-climate-whammy-corn-belt.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/12/britain-facing-p...

https://weather.com/science/environment/news/2019-08-01-drou...

https://phys.org/news/2020-01-atlantic-circulation-collapse-...

https://phys.org/news/2019-12-climate-threat-global-breadbas...

https://phys.org/news/2019-12-large-atmospheric-jet-stream-g...

and here are some scientific studies projecting future crop failures:

Schlenker and Roberts, 2009. Nonlinear temperature effects indicate severe damages to US crop yields under climate change. PNAS, 106(37), pp.15594-15598 https://www.pnas.org/content/106/37/15594.full

Mora et al, 2015. Suitable days for plant growth disappear under projected climate change: Potential human and biotic vulnerability. PLoS bio, 13(6), p.e1002167 https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/jou...

Schauberger et al, 2017. Consistent negative response of US crops to high temperatures in observations and crop models. Nature Comms, 8, p.13931. https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13931

Sakschewski et al, 2014. Feeding 10 billion people under climate change: How large is the production gap of current agricultural systems?. Ecological modelling, 288, pp.103-111 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/263472623_Feeding_1...

Liang et al, 2017. Determining climate effects on US total agricultural productivity. PNAS, 114(12), pp.E2285-E2292 https://www.pnas.org/content/114/12/E2285?collection=

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by 1MachineElf »

RegnisGnaw wrote: post #89
1MachineElf wrote: post #54

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>He's going to crack down hard and control the population, so when the inevitable comes there is acceptence I'm curious how that will work. Are you saying CCP propaganda on TikTok is going to ease famine?

How are you going to protest? Organize. Communicate? They control all media.

But how is protest relevant to famine?

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by FirstMatey80 »

kragen wrote: post #87
PicassoCTs wrote: post #75

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The west usually does not: > Arrest people who report freely on a unjust case > Arrest & incarcerate the lawyer of the accused > Forces the accused, by threatening his family, to confess to crimes on video > And then lifestream those confession videos to the world as "evidence" > The western government do not have much control over their "justice" systems as in, they can not turn on & off cases as they feel (Although…

> Arrest people who report freely on a unjust case Julian Assange. Allegedly, Lauri Love. Jake Appelbaum hasn't been arrested, but he's not doing that well either. He was harassed by law enforcement for years after his reporting on the Iraq war. After Gary Webb's reporting revealed that the CIA had been trafficking cocaine to Los Angeles, using the money to support a terrorist campaign in Nicaragua, he wasn't arreste…

Steven Donziger too

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by tablespoon »

baybal2 wrote: post #63
tablespoon wrote: post #14

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> they really are keen on annoying investors aren't they. i wonder for how long tencent and the other conglomerates will obey these orders They will obey as long as the state has power, which will be for the far foreseeable future. The Chinese government has been smart enhance its power by keeping its domestic businesses in a strictly subordinate position and creating an environment were foreign businesses cooperate…

> Apple has no "plan B," it's China all the way for them I know many people who work, or worked for Apple on the hardware side. I assure you, Apple has "plan B," and it been trying executing on it relentlessly for the last 2 years — just without any success. Vietnam's total electronics industry output is like a single district in Dongguan. The supply chain is very, very immature there, despite it already towering abo…

> I assure you, Apple has "plan B," and it been trying executing on it relentlessly for the last 2 years — just without any success.

Can you share any details about that?

> If what my buddies tell me of Apple's internal assesment of countries is correct, no other countries are even close to a 2nd place alternative on that, except for Taiwan, which is their "plan C" — a sure to work, but expensive option if everything else fails.

That's actually kind of what I meant by "there's no plan B." They may be able to formulate other plans (B, C, D, etc.) and even spend a little money on them, but Western business-thinking won't let them actually deviate from plan A.

One of China's advantages is that the West puts business in the driver's seat in a lot of situations, but business is short-sighted, selfish, and geopolitically naive, so it is exploitable and controllable with the right methods.

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by moltar »

itmayno wrote: post #15
SubiculumCode wrote: post #12

I have a fairly dim view of China's ethics and respect for human rights, and so tend to suspect the worst; however, the hyper-competition in China's production industries has led to product ecosystems rife with unsafe materials (e.g. lead), and other cut corners. Now that many Chinese are able to purchase the things they produce, I can imagine that safety regulations are starting to be demanded by the public, and tha…

USSR followed the same path when their citizens grumbled about liberalization. State owned enterprises are now seizing power from private companies and foreign entities. Pretty soon you are going to see replays of USSR SoE dominance such as lack of innovation, bread lines, inefficient operation, and corruption. It seems xi jing ping did not fully study the downfall of USSR after all.

USSR didn’t have private enterprises and thus no markets. There was no competition.

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by VictorPath »

georgeecollins wrote: post #40
VictorPath wrote: post #38

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The USSR economy did pretty well under Stalin, especially during the Depression that affected the west. Khrushchev deprioritized capital expenditures and that was the beginning of the end. Similar story in the DDR around the time of Stalin's death.

No, that is completely wrong that the USSR economy did well during the depression. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor There are many other sources / economists who will support that, wikipedia is just the fastest. Stalin's government did do a great job of ramping up industrial production before and during WW2.

The same weather problems that hit the Ukraine in the early 1930s hit the US too https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_Bowl .

The economic landscape of the US at the time was the Depression, whereas the USSR economy was chugging along, other than the poor harvest in the Ukraine that year. Walter Duranty of the New York Times visited Ukraine at the time, and said the harvest was not a good one but a lot of reports coming out of the Ukraine were overblown.

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by csense »

cucumb3rrelish wrote: post #2

they really are keen on annoying investors aren't they. i wonder for how long tencent and the other conglomerates will obey these orders

They'll obey as long as they are run by people who have families that can be threatened.

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by VictorPath »

baybal2 wrote: post #73
georgeecollins wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that is completely wrong that the USSR economy did well during the depression. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor There are many other sources / economists who will support that, wikipedia is just the fastest. Stalin's government did do a great job of ramping up industrial production before and during WW2.

Both Victor's, and your point is completely incorrect. The point is, whatever survivor's of thirties tell, thirties were a terrible time, even if they were living in a relatively well off Moscow. That's the only truth, not that of lunatical historians which have nothing, but digits to look on, and imagining things well knowing that pretty much nothing in official economics documents from USSR' reflected reality. Stal…

Well if the USSR economy was in shambles in 1941, that makes the Red Army's pushback of Barbarossa, and the reversal of initiative at Stalingrad all the more impressive.

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by csense »

Barrin92 wrote: post #60
warning26 wrote: post #13

Translation: get ready for arbitrary enforcement of nebulous, ill-defined standards!

explicit goal is actually the opposite and it's likely not just empty words. If you've done business in China as a foreigner over the last few years the court system in particular has actually become more reliable and noticeably quicker. It used to be way more arbitrary and chaotic about ten-ish years ago.

China has a court system? I always thought Chinese law enforcement is basically, "Do something the government doesn't like and you will disappear. Try to run away overseas, and we'll make you an offer you can't refuse: Commit suicide or your family will suffer in your place [1]."

[1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/07/china-christ...

Re: China releases a five-year regulation blueprint for broader crackdown

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Post by Wameaw »

PicassoCTs wrote: post #88
kragen wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Arrest people who report freely on a unjust case Julian Assange. Allegedly, Lauri Love. Jake Appelbaum hasn't been arrested, but he's not doing that well either. He was harassed by law enforcement for years after his reporting on the Iraq war. After Gary Webb's reporting revealed that the CIA had been trafficking cocaine to Los Angeles, using the money to support a terrorist campaign in Nicaragua, he wasn't arreste…

There are cases, were even i doubt the "lawless china narrative". Lets take something recent from china for comparisson, the local ccp-officials who in the middle of the night send digging crews to endangered dams to open them and flood the areas downstream - without a warning to the population. Cause if they warn them - they would be liable for damage compensation. So there seems to be somewhat justice giving system…

Per Hanlon's razor, "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" (incompetence).
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