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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does one check if an app running on a mac is native or electron?

Usually evident from Activity Monitor, if you see Helper (GPU), then you have an Electron app running.

Push cmd-R and see if it refreshes. 1Password 8 does.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#92

I am a big fan of 1password. I was very unhappy with the transition to subscription only, and tried bitwarden. After months of futzing around with it, I went back to 1password. I did so after reviewing their audit results, awhat they documented about their architecture, and after they added great support for Linux. At the end of the day, not everything is a conspiracy - and their model appears to be incredibly secure…

> That said, people arguing that lastpass is better then 1password, given that lastpass has access to your passwords

Don’t get me wrong, I hate Lastpass with an unprecedented rage for something that should be a simple utility (I’m forced to use it at work and it’s a time sink), but I don’t know where you get that and would like a source.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#93
post #20

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

How does one check if an app running on a mac is native or electron?

Show package contents, check if 'Electron Framework.framework' is in Contents/Frameworks.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#94

I've never tried 1Password but I've seen many here who endorse it. Does anyone have experience with both 1Password and KeepassXC? Especially with 1Password local vaults...

I've only briefly tried Keepass but the UI, the general clunky nature of the UX and such turned me off. To be completely fair, this was 3 years ago when Lastpass was becoming more and more useless and unreasonable. I tried out Dashlane and ended up using 1Password and have been a very happy customer since. I'm not particularly concerned with self hosting or syncing personally

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#95

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

This is ridiculous. Electron works great, and if this leads to more frequent updates and a more consistent experience across platforms, that's a win for users. 1Password's Windows client, for example, has always felt behind the Mac edition, and if this brings parity and a higher feature and update velocity, that's a win. I have at least three Electron apps open right now and they are all great experiences that the va…

^ says the co-founder of another webapp-in-a-window product

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#96

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

I think it's reasonable to complain about the loss of the native app when one of the key selling points (imo) is the pleasant UI. I don't really understand the almost-automatic hatred of subscriptions.

if an app has ongoing development that you benefit from, it seems entirely fair to pay a subscription. the fair alternative is a one time payment for a lifetime license with few patches priced in. I would probably prefer the latter for something like a word processor, but would you really want to use the same version of a security-critical program like a password manager for the rest of your life? if not, how do you expect them to fund development/maintenance indefinitely?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#97
First Electron and now it is subscription only with no support for local vaults. That is a definitive scam and it turns out I was right again [0], when they added Linux moved to Electron and that was a hint in itself of where 1Password was going. [0] [1]

I'd rather use a standalone extension as a password manager than use a heavy Electron app that will run my Macbook to the ground.

It is either Bitwarden or Dashlane at this point.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27194871

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27195834

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#98
post #51

The writing was on the wall when they took VC money[1]. Anyone has a good guide to move to Bitwarden/Lastpass? [1] https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/14/fourteen-years-after-launc...

https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-1password/

I'd only recommend LastPass if you're a fan of LogMeIn, Ltd. and only being able to see your passwords either on Desktop or Mobile (on the free version).

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#99
post #3

I haven't had a single bad experience with Bitwarden. I even pay for it now and still run it locally just to support them. Highly recommended if you don't want to be forced into 1Password's service.

What caused me to not consider Bitwarden was the way it handled iframes. It could send the parent sites credentials to an iframe even if the iframe was on a different domain. This is a big no-no in my book.

This was a discovery in a security review they did and choose not to change.

This was some time ago so things may have changed. But, that red flag kept me away.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#100

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

I recently cancelled Evernote after 12 years of paying for it due to their new Electron client.

I've been using 1Password since 2008 and I'll be doing the same thing. I have tolerated the UI regressions and even subscription with version 7, but Electron is just unacceptable for what was once an amazing Mac app that put Apple's apps to shame.

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