Is there any chance for facebook to buy them like they did instagram and whatsapp?
That's unlikely to happen. Hence why Instagram created Reels to compete with TikTok.
TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app
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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
So...don't post? Every platform has (read: is primarily ) lurkers.
Lurking doesn't seem all that appealing to me either. I just checked the tiktok homepage and the top two videos I saw were of a woman failing a sobriety test and a guy scaring a drive-through woman with a blow horn. I realize this isn't the content you might see once your algo is calculated, but it's obviously popular stuff on the platform and it just doesn't seem like very positive content for me.
> it's obviously popular stuff on the platform and it just doesn't seem like very positive content for me.
This is true of everything. If I look at the front page of YouTube in a private browser window, it's all bullshit too, obviously. But there's plenty of quality stuff on YouTube that I do like, ya know?
The point is that the well is deep and broad enough that there is probably a whole community of people making content you'd like, and TikTok is extraordinarily good at finding that stuff for you sooner rather than later. I watch tons of diorama-building tutorials and recipe videos, for example. And I'm better both at painting and cooking as a result.
Look: I'm not a shill, here. I'm not trying to convince you to get into TikTok (I mean? who cares, honestly) but I find a lot of talk about it tends to boil down to "kids these days" dismissiveness.
And yeah I don't post anything there - nobody wants to see my grizzled old-ass face.
Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app
#93I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…
> Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing
It's been interesting to watch the steady decline of Reddit and Twitter since they launched. They've always had a significant amount of doom-and-gloom clickbait headlines, but in the past it was far easier to filter out the bad and follow subreddits or Twitter people with high signal to noise ratios.
Now, Reddit feels like a lost cause for anything other than consuming endless outrage headlines. r/popular is full of blatant misinformation that could be disproved with a simple Google search or outrage-bait headlines that make every event sound like the end of the world. Even the previously useful subreddits I subscribed to have been inundated with angry, angry people who manage to turn everything into an argument or relate it back to politics somehow.
I have to wonder if TikTok is simply enjoying the early days where the fun, light-hearted content still outweighs the intentionally rage-baity content. There does appear to be vast amounts of misinformation and angry content on TikTok, but it hasn't yet flooded the platform to a degree that it's unavoidable.
I feel like we watched a similar rise and fall of Clubhouse during the pandemic. The early days were full of people with genuine curiosity and good intentions about socializing, but it quickly devolved into lowest common denominator content. I haven't opened Clubhouse for months, but the last time I opened it I remember scrolling through endless "how to get rich" rooms that were keyword stuffing popular terms until I just gave up on the platform altogether.
Maybe TikTok's algorithm and model can stave off the Eternal September problem, but I feel like it's only a matter of time until the signal to noise ratio drops below most people's thresholds for decent content.
Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app
#94I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…
> The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and protectionist. I don't think the only question is "who wins at having the most popular social network." The more concerning one is of exerting political influence through manipulative amplification/suppression (which is something the PRC has a lot of experience with). That could be both highly effective and extre…
That is a real threat, but that's a problem with (proprietary, centralized) online media in general. Which social network would you trust not to do that? Facebooks experiment on manipulating emotions comes to mind [1].
The only way to minimize these effects is to consume a multitude of media from multiple sources, so no one entity has too much influence. Balancing all the US-based social networks with some TikTok certainly seems healthy in that regard.
1: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2014/06/28/facebook...
Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
As opposed to US based networks?
> As opposed to US based networks? There are important differences between being influenced by domestic actors, as part of a domestic political process, and being influenced by foreign actors. The latter is a far more serious threat to political independence. It's also pretty well documented that the PRC political authorities already use its domestic social networks in this way.
You are assuming that the person you respond to is american. He's dutch, and is regularly spied on by the US.
Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app
#96I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…
> The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and protectionist. I don't think the only question is "who wins at having the most popular social network." The more concerning one is of exerting political influence through manipulative amplification/suppression (which is something the PRC has a lot of experience with). That could be both highly effective and extre…
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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app
#97And I'd probably use TikTok if the "Oh no" and "Astronaut in the Ocean" weren't used in damn near every video. People overusing the everloving crap out of those two songs has ruined that platform for me.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
As opposed to US based networks?
> As opposed to US based networks? There are important differences between being influenced by domestic actors, as part of a domestic political process, and being influenced by foreign actors. The latter is a far more serious threat to political independence. It's also pretty well documented that the PRC political authorities already use its domestic social networks in this way.
I am Dutch.
Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app
#99I'm just continually amazed at how Twitter bought vine and then allowed this to happen.
Maybe just the right app at the wrong time? To be honest I think TikTok is 20% short videos and 80% AI, so even if you had vine today it would feel totally off compared to TikTok.
If you look at social medias evolution the "Feed" concept was first a cronological list of friends' posts then evolved to mix of ads and random friends post to allow for more engagement + monetization. TikTok just got rid of the concept at all, the feed gauge what you want to see by how you interact with the content. I think this was their biggest differential.
It's the difference between showing me just stuff that I really like doesn't matter from whom and showing me some ads while holding the content of my friends hostage.
Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app
#100I have Facebook on my phone at least since 2013 and I haven't ever re-downloaded it. I also downloaded tiktok last year. Do the math