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Major U.K. science funder to require grantees to make papers immediately free

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I know it's in the original title, so I'm not criticising OP the submitter, but this has to be the first time I've ever seen 'U.K.' as dotted intials like that! Seems oddly funny, I don't know why really.

Wiktionary notes it's customary in legal case notes, but gives no other usage, which I suppose supports it being a first for me.

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Yes!! Why do these things even cost money to begin with? It's like they want people to not follow the standards.

ISO666 sets the acceptable limits on how much you should charge people to get a copy of the standards. /s

I guessed they would have skipped it but no...

ISO 666:2006 Machine tools — Mounting of grinding wheels by means of hub flanges https://www.iso.org/standard/35748.html

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Reed Elsevier and the other rent seekers got no reason to live. That said: in the legal world, where PACER extracts $0.10 per "page" even now that you get things electronically and the cost is near zero: There's a service RECAP (PACER spelled backwards), where you can install a browser extension which automatically copies anything you download from PACER to a free archive. So one person pays, and the rest get it free…

Curious if the backup service is legal?

So was the FBI. They harassed my friend Aaron for a year when he started snarfing PACER documents from public libraries. In the end they had to conclude it was legal, so they couldn't prosecute him for it; instead he was persecuted by different US Attorneys for downloading papers from JSTOR until he committed suicide.

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Reed Elsevier and the other rent seekers got no reason to live. That said: in the legal world, where PACER extracts $0.10 per "page" even now that you get things electronically and the cost is near zero: There's a service RECAP (PACER spelled backwards), where you can install a browser extension which automatically copies anything you download from PACER to a free archive. So one person pays, and the rest get it free…

> Reed Elsevier and the other rent seekers got no reason to live. Listen to me, HN. Stop listening to this meme. You aren't using your brains. Everyone has a hard-on for Elsevier, and no other publisher. Why is that? Because they don't know anything about publishing. They've just heard the name Elsevier (and it kind of looks evil ) and so they just parrot it ad-nauseam. What about Springer? Taylor & Francis? Wiley-Bl…

I worked for Reed Elsevier for a few months in the 01990s (on an outsourced IT contract). They were already internally distributing propaganda encouraging their employees to promote extensions of copyright to factual information (so-called sui generis database rights). They are a profoundly evil institution to their core, in a way that the American Chemical Society just is not.

Your position seems to be that impact factors and bibliometrics are crucial to the progress of science. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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The journals always want their 'pound of flesh' as Shakespeare spins in his grave.... Some insights:- https://www.editage.com/insights/what-are-the-differences-be...

I don't see any new insights on the page that you linked. I personally signed copyright transfer forms that allowed for author's versions. There were some conditions that I don't remember in detail. But the gist is that a commercial publisher still allowed me to have a version of the article text online.

They make you go through hoops and remember you - after a few requests the paywall emerges. In this modern day, with publishing costs steadily falling, their demands for payment have become ever more demanding

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as for Springer, Taylor & Francis, and Wiley-Blackwell: yeah, them too. Forgot to mention those. The paid journals take research which is mostly paid for with public or non-profit money, and hide it behind paywalls. You can't avoid this fact. Their "reputation" is mostly just a legacy, like the New York Times'. At one time they sent out paper journals, which was the only way information could be disseminated, and cha…

Who is paying and who has access is only one part of the puzzle. Most people only care about access, but they don't understand why that access continues to be limited. Why do journals exist? It's not to provide information. Ever since the Internet was invented, we can distribute information virtually for free. Everybody knows this. Yet the journals persist for decades. So their purpose is not to provide information.…

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