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New Laptop: Thinkpad P14s

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Re: New Laptop: Thinkpad P14s

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Post by MonaroVXR »

kawsper wrote: post #90
MonaroVXR wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can do the following: TicketsatWork: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/ticketsatwork/pc (Passcode: TICKETSatWK)

Does such a thing exist for the EU?

Unfortunately not, maybe through student discounts.

Lenovo Discounts

Use the links below to get a good discount on Lenovo systems.

Germany (Students only, I never tested if it worked for other countries. but... it ships all over EU)

ok1: https://ok1.de/ThinkPads:::6.html?MODsid=ea0ejr7mhrhhmjc47kk... LapStars: https://www.lapstars.de/thinkpad-campus.html (offers multiple keyboard language choices) notebooksbilliger: https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/studentenprogramm/lenovo+ca...

Re: New Laptop: Thinkpad P14s

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Post by MonaroVXR »

MonaroVXR wrote: post #81
namanyayg wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow that's a great deal. Via some discount coupons or was it second hand?

You can do the following: TicketsatWork: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/ticketsatwork/pc (Passcode: TICKETSatWK)

Replying to my own. I don't affiliate or whatever. I just help people.

Re: New Laptop: Thinkpad P14s

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Post by MonaroVXR »

Foomf wrote: post #54

I want to give thinkpads a try, but I just don't trust Lenovo enough.

I'm not sure. I had to google your name (Making sure if it's the right country) but this may help:

You can do the following: TicketsatWork: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/ticketsatwork/pc (Passcode: TICKETSatWK)

Re: New Laptop: Thinkpad P14s

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Post by alpaca128 »

listenallyall wrote: post #75

Lenovo's web site is especially frustrating. They expect customers to know the differences between ThinkPad, IdeaPad, Yoga, etc, and then between the subdivisions like ThinkPad E vs P vs X, etc. It would be far more customer-friendly if Lenovo made it very easy to say, show me all 15 inch laptops with any dedicated graphics card, and let's go from there.

Almost all laptop makers' websites are absolutely horrible. The worst I've seen is Dell's, where for some reason every ~10 seconds a distracting popup jumps into the screen. And the device comparison feature is useless, it just shows the same summary as usual but side by side. I had to look for minutes to see that a price difference between two models came from the 13" and 15" size difference...which was a single digit difference in a ~10-item list without any highlighting.

It's weird how manufacturers are imitating Apple at every step unless it's an improvement in UX.

Re: New Laptop: Thinkpad P14s

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Post by alpaca128 »

post_break wrote: post #17

I want to love thinkpads, but the fact that in 2021 you still have a display lottery frustrates me to no end. You buy a MacBook Pro you get an A+ display. Thinkpad? You might get one with the good display, you might not.

> You buy a MacBook Pro you get an A+ display.

And play another lottery with potential faults in the keyboard or display cable or some other random component, with Apple refusing to do anything for years until after a class action lawsuit they decide to fix a specific batch of laptops from the year 2016. Or maybe it actually does work, but then the cooling is insufficient to actually get the computing power suggested by the spec sheet.

Apple makes good devices, but the combination of those prices with this attitude towards the customer is a dealbreaker for me.

I'm glad the Framework laptop is a thing, it's the only good example in an industry going towards unfixable devices, broken by design.

Re: New Laptop: Thinkpad P14s

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Post by tincholio »

platz wrote: post #80
tincholio wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The position next to the spacebar seems more awkward than to the left of "a", especially if you use Emacs or otherwise a lot of Ctrl presses. I currently have the CAPS key mapped so that it's Esc on tap, and Ctrl on hold. Works great.

It's only awkward next to the spacebar if you use the wrong finger. What key are you currently hitting with your left thumb? That is a whole finger you could be using to hit LALT key, instead of letting it just sit there wasted., and it's very natural. You can use Emacs easily with this configuration for both modifiers.

On a thinkpad keyboard, my thumbs fall naturally on the space bar (well, rather between the space bar and the left trackpoint button), so hitting the alt next to it implies an uncomfortable bending motion of my left thumb. Also, the x is just over that key, so doing M-x in Emacs would be a weird pinch-like move. Maybe it's a matter of habit, but using CAPS as Ctrl/Esc is literally a 2mm move of the pinky to the left from my home position.

Re: New Laptop: Thinkpad P14s

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Post by necovek »

microtonal wrote: post #52
ahendriksen wrote: post #47

If you read this blog post and think "Nice! I will buy the same Thinkpad and use Linux", then be aware that the previous generation P14s has serious issues with power drain in standby[0]. These issues have been not been resolved since September 2020. In large parts of Europe, the second generation P14s is not yet available. So buyer beware! [0] https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Other-Linux-Discussions/T14-AMD...

I had the same issue with the ThinkPad T14 AMD. Left it in my backpack for two days and the battery was completely drained. What made it worse: Lenovo's own USB-C Gen 2 Dock would refuse to charge the battery when it was drained. I had to borrow a friend's MacBook Pro USB-C charger to get the battery up to a reasonable charge. (Yes, the dock does provide enough power for charging the laptop.)

Sounds like the issues from X1 Carbon 6th gen where the only available standby was always-on-standby (Windows-only thing): some patching of ACPI tables has helped with that, though Lenovo has since updated the BIOS and restored the usual S3 standby. 7th gen worked out of the box, but I am not sure if that matches t490 or t14 generation (or maybe even t480).

The biggest worry for me is putting it in a backpack and the battery causing a fire.

Re: New Laptop: Thinkpad P14s

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Post by post_break »

sorcerer34890 wrote: post #88
post_break wrote: post #17

I want to love thinkpads, but the fact that in 2021 you still have a display lottery frustrates me to no end. You buy a MacBook Pro you get an A+ display. Thinkpad? You might get one with the good display, you might not.

For this reason I just ended buying an HP, the display is exactly what the description said it would be. 300 nits, brigthview. No surprises, no a thousand bucks lottery ticket sold with "but it has a good keyboard".

300 nits is terrible though.

Re: New Laptop: Thinkpad P14s

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Post by microtonal »

necovek wrote: post #97
microtonal wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the same issue with the ThinkPad T14 AMD. Left it in my backpack for two days and the battery was completely drained. What made it worse: Lenovo's own USB-C Gen 2 Dock would refuse to charge the battery when it was drained. I had to borrow a friend's MacBook Pro USB-C charger to get the battery up to a reasonable charge. (Yes, the dock does provide enough power for charging the laptop.)

Sounds like the issues from X1 Carbon 6th gen where the only available standby was always-on-standby (Windows-only thing): some patching of ACPI tables has helped with that, though Lenovo has since updated the BIOS and restored the usual S3 standby. 7th gen worked out of the box, but I am not sure if that matches t490 or t14 generation (or maybe even t480). The biggest worry for me is putting it in a backpack and the…

> though Lenovo has since updated the BIOS and restored the usual S3 standby

This drain with the T14 was with regular S3 sleep (sleep mode option changed from Windows to Linux in the firmware setup).

Re: New Laptop: Thinkpad P14s

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Post by distances »

pdimitar wrote: post #83
distances wrote: post #41

Duh, I didn't notice you can configure ThinkPads, might have gone that route if I knew. I ordered Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 Pro that is sadly limited to 16GB, but otherwise seems to be a huge success. High-res 90Hz 16:10 display, 5800H, good Linux support out of the box. I just hope the memory won't become a constraint. At least it was considerably cheaper than ThinkPads at 960€.

I considered this one but IMO not having dual-channel memory on such a super strong CPU is crippling it. :( Plus yeah, 16GB is too small. If it wasn't for that, it is IMO the perfect programmer laptop.

Got my device. It's super. A warning if any Linux user considers this though: Lenovo specs said Intel WiFi, but it came with Realtek 8852AE, and drivers for this aren't included yet in current kernels. It was straightforward to get it working with https://github.com/lwfinger/rtw89 (latest KDE Neon), but for the time being that will then have to be done after all kernel udpates.
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