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Woman sues L.A. after being struck by car on a street where tents block sidewalk

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Re: Woman sues L.A. after being struck by car on a street where tents block sidewalk

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The base issue is usually mental illness worsened by substance abuse, without a strong social net and with readily available street drugs these people are pretty much unfit for any kind of work.

"Without readily available street drugs"? I suspect that wasn't about medication?

Without net. And easy access to drugs.

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Kevin Paffrath has some ideas for solving this. The Democratic Party seems bent on preventing him from having a fair shot.

> Kevin Paffrath (born 1992, also known as Meet Kevin),[2] is an American YouTuber, landlord, and real estate broker.[3][4][5] When your #1 qualification is YouTuber, you probably ahve no businesses holding public office.

> landlord, and real estate broker

That's a double dose of "fuck no"

Re: Woman sues L.A. after being struck by car on a street where tents block sidewalk

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>Flipping that burger for 30 hours a week does not give them enough money to find housing. Now they're still broke but they're also tired, smelly, and angry. But now they still have $420 (based on CA's minimum wage of $14) more in their pocket?

Good luck getting and keeping a job when you have nowhere to shower and may be forced to relocate at any time. Oh, and the cops may come and smash or steal all of your belongings.

Gym memberships can be had for $20/month or less, and provide a full bathroom facility for showering and grooming.

I'm not trying to be pedantic. I'm just pointing this out for anybody reading this who may find themself in a situation like this in the future.

Re: Woman sues L.A. after being struck by car on a street where tents block sidewalk

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In the US, that job may not offer the person any net quality-of-life improvements. Flipping that burger for 30 hours a week does not give them enough money to find housing. Now they're still broke but they're also tired, smelly, and angry.

>Flipping that burger for 30 hours a week does not give them enough money to find housing. Now they're still broke but they're also tired, smelly, and angry. But now they still have $420 (based on CA's minimum wage of $14) more in their pocket?

If you're sleeping in the street or in a homeless shelter, the only thing that amount of money is going to do for you (in California at least) is make you a target for thieves.

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The base issue is usually mental illness worsened by substance abuse, without a strong social net and with readily available street drugs these people are pretty much unfit for any kind of work.

This has been what I've seen personally volunteering at a homeless outreach. Mental illness seems to be the major factor.

AFAIK the homeless problem exploded when the US shut down its institutional mental health system in the 1980s.

The shutdown wasn't just to cut costs. Many institutions had terrible records that included abusive treatment of patients. But we pulled the plug on that system with no replacement, so major cities became open air psychiatric wards.

Re: Woman sues L.A. after being struck by car on a street where tents block sidewalk

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>Flipping that burger for 30 hours a week does not give them enough money to find housing. Now they're still broke but they're also tired, smelly, and angry. But now they still have $420 (based on CA's minimum wage of $14) more in their pocket?

Panhandling can earn more than minimum wage, and you have no boss or responsibilities.

see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28066652

Re: Woman sues L.A. after being struck by car on a street where tents block sidewalk

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I've almost been hit by cars in SF for the exact same reason. Cities need to designate places for encampments to stop them from blocking sidewalks or disrupting residential areas. And they need to rapidly remove any that do block public access or disrupt residences.

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As a non-American person living in the US, I fail to understand one thing about its society. When I walk around town I see tons and tons of places advertising jobs, for simple stuff like kitchen, moving stuff around, etc. I even recently saw a store with a "talk to the manager and start working right now" sign. And then I walk around the streets and see all these homeless. It seems like a paradox to me, but I am obvi…

You're going to get a lot of replies indicating that the problem belongs squarely on society's shoulders (healthcare, capitalism, drugs). One cause that you will probably not see highlighted is the devaluation of autonomy and personal responsibility, and it's absolutely devastating effect on the human spirit to progress.

I think that is the reason for very few homeless cases. Drugs and mental illness are the big two. And that says nothing about society.

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Larry Elder has a real chance of winning the Governor recall election at this point. I was going to ignore it as just opposition party flailings, but now that the opportunity is there its not so far fetched.

That is true, little as I like him. As of yesterday polling for the recall was 46% for-48% against, which is tight enough to make things very uncertain. Not sure why you're being downvoted for factual statements, Elder is the leading Republican candidate at present and only a plurality is required in the event that the recall vote passes. California coul din theory be governed by someone who only had the support of 20% of the voters.

Re: Woman sues L.A. after being struck by car on a street where tents block sidewalk

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As a non-American person living in the US, I fail to understand one thing about its society. When I walk around town I see tons and tons of places advertising jobs, for simple stuff like kitchen, moving stuff around, etc. I even recently saw a store with a "talk to the manager and start working right now" sign. And then I walk around the streets and see all these homeless. It seems like a paradox to me, but I am obvi…

In the US, that job may not offer the person any net quality-of-life improvements. Flipping that burger for 30 hours a week does not give them enough money to find housing. Now they're still broke but they're also tired, smelly, and angry.

How do you cash a paycheck if you are without an address or a bank account?

How do you establish that you are a citizen and are legally able to take a job if you are unable to safely store your documents?

How do you get health care, inclusive of mental health care, if you are unable to pay for it?

If you are without a secure residence, how do you know when to wake up, how do you clean up, put on fresh clothing, and get to work?

If you rely on public transit, how do you reliably get to work?

How do you establish residence if you have no reasonable credit or references?

How do you save your deposit, first month's rent, and last month's rent, if you are unable to even get a bank account?

For any complex problem there is an obvious, simple, and totally incorrect answer.

"The homeless should just get a job and get a place to live"

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