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Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

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Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

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Post by jsjohnst »

ksec wrote: post #77
aix1 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Google has an incentive to go all in on CPU design as that helps their data centers and GCP both, so we might see significant gains over time. It seems that CPU design for phones and for data centres are quite different problems, or do you see them as facets of the same problem?

>It seems that CPU design for phones and for data centres are quite different problems Still limited by the same TDP. Just as data point and prospective Apple spend more TDP budget on its mobile CPU core than any current ARM Server CPU core.

> Just as data point and prospective Apple spend more TDP budget on its mobile CPU core than any current ARM Server CPU core.

Are you talking TDP per core? Because there are many ARM server processors with much higher total TDP than Apple's A/M series processors. Even per core, I find it hard to believe that's true for even most ARM server chips, let alone all, given the total TDP of an M1 (10-15W, 4/4 big.LITTLE cores) or an A14 (6W, 2/4 big.LITTLE cores) chip.

Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

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Post by Ruthalas »

crazygringo wrote: post #48
63 wrote: post #22

I imagine I'm in the minority but I'd rather have a phone a fraction of a millimeter thicker that has a flush back. At this point it's getting out of hand.

Why? What's the useful advantage to a flush back? I don't really see any. As long as I can hold the phone, and it can lie on a table or stand without wobbling, it seems to do what it needs to. It's not like you're stacking phones on top of each other the way you do books or magazines. (And heck if you work in repair or provisioning and actually do stack phones, it's easy enough to turn every other one 180°.) Also I d…

I want to be able to set my phone down on a table and be able to use it without it seesawing and rocking.

Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

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Post by Havoc »

peq wrote: post #10

> Pixel 6 will have the most layers of hardware security in any phone**. > **Based on a count of independent hardware security subsystems and components. That does not seem like a meaningful measure for security.

Throw it in a zip lock bag for an immediate +1 security layer

Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

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Post by welkie »

aix1 wrote: post #34
actuator wrote: post #23

From the Verge article it seems the CPU in SoC would be some licensed spec based on Exynos, so I am guessing we aren't going to see CPU performance close to A series processors, but it does seem like a promising start. Google has an incentive to go all in on CPU design as that helps their data centers and GCP both, so we might see significant gains over time. I had to buy a new phone and I am really happy that Pixel…

> Google has an incentive to go all in on CPU design as that helps their data centers and GCP both, so we might see significant gains over time. It seems that CPU design for phones and for data centres are quite different problems, or do you see them as facets of the same problem?

Apparently they used to be quite different problems, but with today's focus on "performance per watt-hr" as the most important metric, they've merged together. GCP's new AMD CPUs are popular because they're x86 but do more per watt. And all the big cloud platforms are looking into ARM64 chips for the same reason. Arm architecture is crucial in phones. Voila.

Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

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Post by shakna »

deeviant wrote: post #86
one_off_comment wrote: post #3

Yikes. I'm not a fan of the design because I like my phone to be able to sit flat on surfaces.

I'm having difficulty thinking of use cases where you'd need your phone to sit flat other than alleviating OCD? Regardless, I'm sure someone will make a case that mostly flush.

To be able to continue using the phone, whilst not physically holding the phone.

For example, reading over some paper documents, whilst using your phone's calculator.

Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

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Post by K5EiS »

63 wrote: post #73
xnx wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm the opposite. I'm happy to have a camera bulge if that means better optics and images. I think the idea is that this phone will have the same thickness for most people who use a case.

That's a fair point. I should start using a case.

You should check out the Dbrand grip case, the company is a bit weird but their cases are great.

Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

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Post by ksec »

jsjohnst wrote: post #91
ksec wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It seems that CPU design for phones and for data centres are quite different problems Still limited by the same TDP. Just as data point and prospective Apple spend more TDP budget on its mobile CPU core than any current ARM Server CPU core.

> Just as data point and prospective Apple spend more TDP budget on its mobile CPU core than any current ARM Server CPU core. Are you talking TDP per core? Because there are many ARM server processors with much higher total TDP than Apple's A/M series processors. Even per core, I find it hard to believe that's true for even most ARM server chips, let alone all, given the total TDP of an M1 (10-15W, 4/4 big.LITTLE cor…

Per Core, The Max TDP per core of M1 pushes to 5W. All current ARM server based on N1 has a per core maximum of 3W max. You have specialised core like those on Fujitsu A64FX but they dont push to 5W either with when running with SVE.

i.e What ever core Google decide to work on tensor could easily be used on Server as well. Whether they are the best for it would be a different question though.

Re: Google Tensor SoC debuts on the new Pixel 6 this fall

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Post by srfwx »

dont__panic wrote: post #79

Other sources seem to be reporting 6.4" and 6.7" diagonal screens. So I guess even the smaller Pixel is now as large as the iPhone Max? Guess I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up for a surge of small phones spurred by the iPhone 12 Mini. Which is a real shame, since I'm way overdue for an upgrade but 99% of phones are way too large.

pixel 5 has the perfect form factor imho
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