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Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by denton-scratch »

denton-scratch wrote: post #62
mike_d wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This should help make it clear: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/368/6498/1422/F1.... Masks do more to protect others than they do you. Which is why we are safest when everyone wears a mask.

Which is why I get annoyed at the flood of maskless wonders in UK shops since 'freedom day' (I am 65, and have a chronic respiratory illness). And I wonder whether the Great Unmasked coincides with the Great Unvaccinated.

Doubling-down on the downvotes:

When the checkout queue is moving slowly, some people try to move the queue forward by moving closer tho the person in front, even though the queue hasn't moved. I've noticed that people who do this are always maskless.

My local store is near a homeless shelter; homeless people face much greater threats than what amounts to a nasty respiratory virus. But I like social distancing; it tends to improve my sense of having personal space, as well as making me feel safer.

Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by [deleted] »

sbierwagen wrote: post #83
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #79

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Restaurants and bars are open because people really want them to be, not because the CDC recommends it. The CDC offers some suggestions on how to manage the risks of opening restaurants, but there's nothing to change there because they've never revoked their early 2020 guidance that it's a big risk.

If there is a secret hidden footnote to "NO ADJUSTMENTS FOR OTHER INTERVENTIONS" and "no distancing, no isolation, no gathering restrictions" that reads "just kidding about that, all restaurants and bars need to be closed immediately" then this slide deck is doing a very bad job of clearly recommending what public heath interventions should be done. Again, why would they recommend universal masking if they know for a…

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Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by BoxOfRain »

carnitas wrote: post #16
arpa wrote: post #13

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what's wrong with masked world? it helps stop the spread of other airborne diseases as well, it filters out (to some extent) the smog, facial recognition software has more trouble, so we regain at least some privacy...

Oh I don’t know, crushing depression, psychological atmosphere of fear, no biggy

The desire to get rid of masks is mostly iconoclastic in my opinion. People come up with all sorts of hand-wringing explanations for the anti-mask phenomenon but it's actually pretty simple in my opinion, people want rid of their masks for the same reason English people burn effigies of Guy Fawkes on the 5th of November. It's not the masks themselves that make people dislike them, it's what they represent. To some they're primarily a symbol of caring about your neighbours, to others they're primarily a symbol of government authoritarianism. It's this subjective, symbolic association that I think informs most people's opinions of masks.

I suspect the Venn diagram of people who don't like masks and people who don't like coercively collectivist politics is basically a circle. It certainly is here in the UK, most opposition to masks in Parliament came from the Tory backbenchers which I guess is why their mandatory use was dropped this month; the 1922 Committee (a formal group of Tory backbenchers) can force a vote of no confidence in the Tory leader if 15% of them call for such a vote. Tory backbenchers tend to be more small-c conservative than the Tory frontbench, they're not necessarily anti-authoritarian but they're often anti-collectivist.

Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by drcongo »

denton-scratch wrote: post #91
denton-scratch wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is why I get annoyed at the flood of maskless wonders in UK shops since 'freedom day' (I am 65, and have a chronic respiratory illness). And I wonder whether the Great Unmasked coincides with the Great Unvaccinated.

Doubling-down on the downvotes: When the checkout queue is moving slowly, some people try to move the queue forward by moving closer tho the person in front, even though the queue hasn't moved. I've noticed that people who do this are always maskless. My local store is near a homeless shelter; homeless people face much greater threats than what amounts to a nasty respiratory virus. But I like social distancing; it te…

I can't work out what your other comment is getting downvoted for. It basically boils down to "some people are arseholes and they behave like arseholes" - which probably tells you all you need to know about the downvoters.

Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by [deleted] »

dnzkw wrote: post #44
arpa wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what's wrong with masked world? it helps stop the spread of other airborne diseases as well, it filters out (to some extent) the smog, facial recognition software has more trouble, so we regain at least some privacy...

I'm tired of living in this new depressive, sterile world with no emotions. Also masks make it harder to breathe. And why not say it. The fact the government is forcing me to wear a mask indoors makes me want to get rid of it asap.

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Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by ceejayoz »

busymom0 wrote: post #43
mike_d wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This should help make it clear: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/368/6498/1422/F1.... Masks do more to protect others than they do you. Which is why we are safest when everyone wears a mask.

Unless we are talking about fitted N95 masks, CDC used to say the opposite even about transmission to others: "There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure." https://www.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article > Disposable medical masks (also known as surgic…

That's like trying to dunk on astronomers from the 1980s saying "there is no evidence yet of extrasolar planets".

Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by koheripbal »

X6S1x6Okd1st wrote: post #70

page 18 seems to be indicating that Delta is ~2x more likely to have all of the bad outcomes relative to ancestral strain. That combined with how much more infectious this is makes it truly worrying. One interpretation of the fact that Israel has such different numbers on vaccine effectiveness is that effectiveness starts dropping ~6 months in. We'll need to start doing 3rd shots for lots of people ~now.

2x the extremely low rate for vaccinated people is still very low - hence the extra efforts needed to vaccinate people.

Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by smaryjerry »

Delta is getting a crazy amount of press but for some reason most articles don’t show any of the articles stats. For instance rather than show cases or deaths, they show “percent of cases that are delta.” Here is the CDC chart showing cases and deaths by group.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsoverti...

Cases are increasing but even case increase is a tiny blip compared to winter. Cases have always been a poor metric to judge the pandemic as it doesn’t indicate the severity of the infection. Filter the graph by deaths and we can see COVID deaths have still yet to increase even a tiny amount from their already extremely low levels after vaccinations become mainstream. Yes there is a lag time between death and cases but that lag time is only two weeks.

Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by seriousquestion »

smaryjerry wrote: post #98

Delta is getting a crazy amount of press but for some reason most articles don’t show any of the articles stats. For instance rather than show cases or deaths, they show “percent of cases that are delta.” Here is the CDC chart showing cases and deaths by group. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsoverti... Cases are increasing but even case increase is a tiny blip compared to winter. Cases have alwa…

Careful, I got buried by the downvote and flag brigade for pointing that out.

Re: CDC Internal Delta Variant Presentation

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Post by packetlost »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #59
vsnf wrote: post #6

Slide 21 >Given higher transmissibility and current vaccine coverage, universal masking is essential to reduce transmission of the Delta variant Well that's very sad, if not entirely unexpected. How long will we be living in a masked world?

Asia has been living in a masked world for at least two decades. It's not a major inconvenience, and it doesn't infringe on anyone's freedoms. Westerners really need to stop being such spoiled entitled children about this situation, and cowboy up and do what it takes to eradicate this pandemic.

This is definitely not true. People generally wear masks when they are sick, not all the time. There is a big difference.
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