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High-End Gaming PCs Banned in Six US States
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#92Having dived deeper, this is under the tier 1 requirements under California's energy efficiency limits. Which the California Energy Commission (CEC) noted to adopt tighter appliance energy standards. However from December 2021, "computers with high-speed networking capability, multi-screen notebooks, notebooks with cyclical behavior, and monitors with high refresh rates" will be covered by the rules" under tier 2 req…
> computers with high-speed networking capability What's high speed? 10mbps was high speed once, then it got obsolete. Now 1Gbps is standard, and while it's not lightning fast, it can be considered fast. 10Gbps ethernet is becoming bog standard in our servers, and they'll trickle down to consumers systems then. What's next? MIMO wireless adapters?
if you ask the ISP it's 10 Mbit/s
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#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess is the exemption is to tend to corporate interests? Absurd. Its a law about how much energy PCs can use. Consoles aren't exempt; they're just not PCs. They'd probably be allowed anyway because the law is about how much energy is used when the machine is idle, and consoles are pretty efficient when they're not doing much.
> Its a law about how much energy PCs can use. Consoles aren't exempt; they're just not PCs. I don't understand what distinction you're making -- the Earth is getting polluted all the same. It's still an exemption. Consoles would likely still be allowed -- but that's more fair and future-proof.
I don't understand what distinction you're making -- the Earth is getting polluted all the same. It's still an exemption.
That's not how laws work. For something to be exempt there would need to be a clause that specifically states "Consoles can pollute as much as they like". There isn't such a clause.
Saying they're exempt is like saying cars are exempt from the EPA's Cleaner Trucks Initiative (https://www.epa.gov/regulations-emissions-vehicles-and-engin...). They're not exempt, they're just not trucks.
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#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
And the response explains why that comment is wrong: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27957381
The exact math was off, but high end gaming PCs are still not being banned.
The important dispute isn't about the calculations, but whether the limits only apply to sleep mode (as claimed by the first comment) or also to yearly maximum power consumption (and thus to power consumption during active use).
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Although the top comments TO that top comment seem to be explaining that the top comment is wrong, and it's probably a bad thing. ...I feel like this topic is oddly confusing.
This is HackerNews. Either the top comment will support TFA and replies will refute the top comment, or the top comment will refute TFA. I can't think of a major story where that wasn't the case. That's kinda the shtick here.
Not just the top comments. Replies that agree are fairly rare here in general.
Personally I think that's good. Replies that agree rarely add new information, but they drown out other more informative comments and can create an echo chamber.
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#97To reduce emissions, they've started targeting the gaming industry? The meat industry emits orders of magnitude more pollution (even relative to the number of users of each)! Obviously, politicians would lose favor for targeting the meat industry, and thus have avoided fixing measures which would actually reduce emissions. > They list consoles with taking a bulk of the emissions at 66%, and desktop computers at 31%.…
My guess is the exemption is to tend to corporate interests? Absurd. Its a law about how much energy PCs can use. Consoles aren't exempt; they're just not PCs. They'd probably be allowed anyway because the law is about how much energy is used when the machine is idle, and consoles are pretty efficient when they're not doing much.
I think the real question is why we make a distinction by the use case of the hardware and not the hardware itself?
Under the hood consoles use the same chips and technologies as PCs and so do servers.
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#98I'm confused why the article says it only affects high powered PCs and not workstations, so professionals won't be affected. Is a workstation not merely a high powered PC. What exactly is banned here, RGB lighting?
This also means that crypto miners are not affected, correct?
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#99Previous discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27954946 The top comment explains why this is probably a good thing.
Although the top comments TO that top comment seem to be explaining that the top comment is wrong, and it's probably a bad thing. ...I feel like this topic is oddly confusing.
Exactly true. It’s the fact that people think top comment means something is more accurate when all it means is it was most voted. That’s like saying Trump is always right because he got the most votes in 2016. Every website is the same, likes or upvotes are literally a popularity contest and what is popular, usually the first couple comments and the comment that mostly closely meets already widely held expectations. Anyone who is an expert or knowledgeable in any field can attest that often, but not always, the top comment on a topic is wrong and the best comment sits 4 replies deep with almost no upvotes.
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#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
How is that determined? Few PCs draw much power when idle. A dual-monitor flat screen setup probably draws more than most idle computers (but yet not in power saving state).
This is for prebuilt machines. Seems pretty easy to test. Turn the thing on, put it in sleep mode, then record the power draw from the PC PSU. Monitors are not included.
Record and compare to what?
I was asking how it was determined, but it seems you read half of a proper explanation?