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Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by sdasarter5634 »

Zhenya wrote: post #78
zarzavat wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean what else are people going to talk about? The IDF is best known for bombing civilians. That's their shtick. It's hard to have a balanced conversation about them without at least bringing that up, especially when the topic is "collapsed building".

I think you forgot the /s at the end of your statement. IDF is best known for fighting defensive wars from aggressive arab armies. More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces Additionally they are known for rescue operations. A few examples below: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moses - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Magic_Carpet_(Yemen) They are also known for civilian rescue op…

> Examples: roof knocks -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking

I am sorry but in what world does purposefully bombing civilians mean they are one of the "most humane armies in the world".

The defense of "but we are only using little bombs to bomb civilians" is almost beyond parody.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by RobertoG »

Zhenya wrote: post #79
jimmy2020 wrote: post #75

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> all we can see is the action Have you seen IDF actions in Gaza?

Yes - war is bad. Israel is always ready for peace. I can link you to a list of all the offers that have been made for peace. Additionally, you do know that there is no IDF in Gaza and that Gaza shares a border also with Egypt (strangely they keep it closed). They are free to live there peacefully and grow their prosperity. Have you seen Hamas' work in Gaza: https://news.yahoo.com/gaza-city-blast-kills-1-091252256.ht…

>>"Israel is always ready for peace"

That I doubt very much. In my opinion we are seeing a clear on going colonization effort. This is not about religion or race, but about land and the rest is a distraction.

Because we are not in the eighteen century anymore, it can't be done old European style, so it has to be done boiling frog style with a lot of spending in public relations.

The crude fact is that land is being taken by the strongest party:

https://sites.psu.edu/anaouf2/files/2017/02/israel-palestine...

I have not doubt that the IDF did great, but you have to recognize that this article reads like a puff piece.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by Zhenya »

radycov wrote: post #90
Zhenya wrote: post #86

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1) offtopic 2) The Israeli military said the structures had been built illegally.

Actually it's entirely on topic because it shows an alternative reality starkly juxtaposed against humanitarian propaganda. I have no doubt if this was China or Russia or Saudi Arabia being discussed it would be fair game. Israel deserves to be held to a far higher level of scrutiny given its military might is entirely funded by US tax payers and AIPAC controlled Congress.

This one is easy:

US provides Israel with roughly $5-6B in military funding which has to be spent back with US suppliers (please add details if anyone has it)

The total IDF budget in 2011 (latest I could find and has increased) is over $20b.

more reading: -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces#Budget -https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/4/infographic-what-you... (aljazeera of all places!)

I dont think $6B=$20B.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by throwaway210222 »

Zhenya wrote: post #93
radycov wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually it's entirely on topic because it shows an alternative reality starkly juxtaposed against humanitarian propaganda. I have no doubt if this was China or Russia or Saudi Arabia being discussed it would be fair game. Israel deserves to be held to a far higher level of scrutiny given its military might is entirely funded by US tax payers and AIPAC controlled Congress.

This one is easy: US provides Israel with roughly $5-6B in military funding which has to be spent back with US suppliers (please add details if anyone has it) The total IDF budget in 2011 (latest I could find and has increased) is over $20b. more reading: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces#Budget - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/4/infographic-what-you... (aljazeera of all places!) I dont thi…

(aljazeera of all places!)

Curious why you find that curious.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by radycov »

Zhenya wrote: post #79
jimmy2020 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> all we can see is the action Have you seen IDF actions in Gaza?

Yes - war is bad. Israel is always ready for peace. I can link you to a list of all the offers that have been made for peace. Additionally, you do know that there is no IDF in Gaza and that Gaza shares a border also with Egypt (strangely they keep it closed). They are free to live there peacefully and grow their prosperity. Have you seen Hamas' work in Gaza: https://news.yahoo.com/gaza-city-blast-kills-1-091252256.ht…

No mention of ethnic cleansing and military checkpoint enforced apartheid where kids are harassed by fully armed soldiers? Do you want to see the B'TSelem videos? Here they detail a 5 year old child: https://www.btselem.org/press_releases/20130711_soldiers_det...

Or "1 shot 2 kills" military tshirts for killing pregnant Palestnian women? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7960071.stm

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by Zhenya »

sdasarter5634 wrote: post #91
Zhenya wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you forgot the /s at the end of your statement. IDF is best known for fighting defensive wars from aggressive arab armies. More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces Additionally they are known for rescue operations. A few examples below: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moses - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Magic_Carpet_(Yemen) They are also known for civilian rescue op…

> Examples: roof knocks - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking I am sorry but in what world does purposefully bombing civilians mean they are one of the "most humane armies in the world". The defense of "but we are only using little bombs to bomb civilians" is almost beyond parody.

They are not bombing people, they are warning them (and also calling and texting them) to get out so that thee are no/limited civilian casualties and only the infra is destroyed which is housing rockets etc

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by radycov »

Zhenya wrote: post #96
sdasarter5634 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Examples: roof knocks - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking I am sorry but in what world does purposefully bombing civilians mean they are one of the "most humane armies in the world". The defense of "but we are only using little bombs to bomb civilians" is almost beyond parody.

They are not bombing people, they are warning them (and also calling and texting them) to get out so that thee are no/limited civilian casualties and only the infra is destroyed which is housing rockets etc

Sure, how about I drop a 30 second "door knock" before I blow your life to smithereens because I feel like your 10 story building might be hiding a few kalashnikovs? Feel free to evacuate to the few hundred meters of free space in the world's largest open air prison. The simple fact is: this is colonialist ethnic cleansing and the only reason it goes unchecked is because of historic Western guilt uncritically favouring the Israeli state for geopolitical reasons.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by redis_mlc »

Zhenya wrote: post #78
zarzavat wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean what else are people going to talk about? The IDF is best known for bombing civilians. That's their shtick. It's hard to have a balanced conversation about them without at least bringing that up, especially when the topic is "collapsed building".

I think you forgot the /s at the end of your statement. IDF is best known for fighting defensive wars from aggressive arab armies. More info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces Additionally they are known for rescue operations. A few examples below: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moses - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Magic_Carpet_(Yemen) They are also known for civilian rescue op…

The parent is largely correct.

In addition, Iran is financing and using Gaza as a proxy war with Israel.

I wouldn't call the IDF "100% humane", as they deliberately shoot reporters, but they are fighting a defensive war to avoid being pushed into the sea - there is no peace treaty with their neighbors.

Arab countries have had decades to offer to resetttle Palestinians and Uighurs, but not a peep.

Re: Israeli military search team helped recover majority of Surfside victims

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Post by radycov »

Zhenya wrote: post #83
nix23 wrote: post #77

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>Your warcrimes comment is not fact based; so I feel nothing about that. Hmmm: https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-a... https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/middle-east-and-north-a...

Strange - Occupied it is not. Defensive removal of rocket infrastructure seems ok. Another question: do fighting nations generally supply electricity, medicine and water to entities raining missles down on their civilians indiscriminately? Great read for the uninformed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_the_State_of_Palesti...

Ironically, by your own admission, you simply highlighted Israel's infrastructure control on Gaza. So it's not merely a military occupier but controls food, water and electricity supplies to the imprisoned population. But hey, thanks for your generosity to allow a trickle of aid supplies through.

"Transfers of fuel for the power plant were stopped by Israel during the Gaza War in May 2021 and resumed by the end of June."

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