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iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by cgb223 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #53

This is a good example of how innovation, competition and small businesses are being stifled by the anticompetitive behavior of the mobile app distribution cartel. Consider contacting your state's Attorney General office, and the US Attorney General office. Many states' AG offices have antitrust divisions[1]. The US Dept. of Justice also has an Antitrust Division[2], along with a page that details how and why[3] to g…

Anyone know who the point of contact for this is in the state of California?

Name email and phone number would be great for us to see and share

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by ZekeSulastin »

jsbdk wrote: post #88
heavyset_go wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They rationalize no longer being able to do something they used to be able to do, for no real practical or technical reason, as actually being a good thing.

I don't rationalise it as a good thing. I think there are many things to consider when buying a phone and this is just one of them. Lately Apple started mandating that apps like telegram or discord must make it impossible for iPhone users to see nsfw content, which has tipped the balance towards android for me. For the first time in many years I'm using an Android phone. But as I said, one of all the factors to consi…

It’s a bit more nuanced than that - NSFW content can still be shown but the app needs to express a 17+ age rating on the App Store. That’s why apps like the Reddit client Apollo[1] and Google Chrome[2] are 17+.

[1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/apollo-for-reddit/id979274575

[2] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-chrome/id535886823

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by emsy »

southerntofu wrote: post #85
opheliate wrote: post #12

When I was younger, my family couldn’t afford a laptop, but I have the distinct memory of wanting to learn to code on the iPads at my school, and being unable to find any app which would let me just write and execute programs. Looking around the App Store now, there do seem to be a couple of apps which would allow this, but it’s still really disappointing to see this kind of removal. The majority of kids these days w…

Apple, like most corporations, is happy to entertain passive consumers. After all, empowering people to learn new things about computers could lead to healthy competition, and that's definitely not something we want, or is it?!

I doubt Apple cares about people that need to "work" on their machine anymore. Those people will buy PCs because a lot of industrial software is still Windows only and Apple shows no interest in changing that. Modern Apple products feel more like toys for adults (in a non-lewd way).

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by badkitty99 »

JonathonW wrote: post #46
yoavm wrote: post #7

Honest question - what do iOS users do in such situations? I'm using Android and we can always install things from outside the store, or even from alternative stores (eg. F-Droid). Is there any similar solution? If the app is open-source, can you at least build it yourself and sideload it as if you are the developer and you're testing your app? What solutions are there?

If the app's open-source, you can build it yourself, with restrictions on how long the app will function on your device before you have to reinstall it (one year IIRC for paid developer accounts, but only 7 days if you're not enrolled in the paid program). If the app isn't open-source, you don't have any great options. Hypothetically, compiled apps from other developers can be re-signed just like apps you build yours…

Jailbreaking is the only way to really use an app that isn’t allowed. And it’s a royal pain in the ass to keep up with the updates, not suited for regular users at all. But it’s still kicking alive and well today

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by saagarjha »

ZekeSulastin wrote: post #92
jsbdk wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't rationalise it as a good thing. I think there are many things to consider when buying a phone and this is just one of them. Lately Apple started mandating that apps like telegram or discord must make it impossible for iPhone users to see nsfw content, which has tipped the balance towards android for me. For the first time in many years I'm using an Android phone. But as I said, one of all the factors to consi…

It’s a bit more nuanced than that - NSFW content can still be shown but the app needs to express a 17+ age rating on the App Store. That’s why apps like the Reddit client Apollo[1] and Google Chrome[2] are 17+. [1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/apollo-for-reddit/id979274575 [2] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/google-chrome/id535886823

They also cannot show a switch to allow viewing NSFW content inside the app, similarly to how apps can't mention other payment methods in-app.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by CiceroCiceronis »

samlevine wrote: post #87
kolyaio wrote: post #79

These stupid limitation by Apple makes me really hope that there will be real competition in the tablet space. Android tablets basically failed because most apps are just bit phone apps. Windows tablet aren’t that successful either. The thing is iPads offer good experience as a tablet but when you want from it a bit more Apple doesn’t allow it because of their Apps Store policies. Personally I think iPad could be a g…

Microsoft doesn't break down sales figures, but overall their Surface business is a couple billion a year. Surface Pros are about as good as you can get right now for a general purpose computer that is also a tablet and also are not incredibly expensive.

Agreed, Apple lost me (prior Air user) as a customer to the Surface, just because the value proposition of a touchscreen tablet computer - that’s actually a real computer - was so compelling.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by swiley »

Joeri wrote: post #11
yoavm wrote: post #7

Honest question - what do iOS users do in such situations? I'm using Android and we can always install things from outside the store, or even from alternative stores (eg. F-Droid). Is there any similar solution? If the app is open-source, can you at least build it yourself and sideload it as if you are the developer and you're testing your app? What solutions are there?

iOS users have mostly chosen to accept the walled garden. If they hadn’t, they would be android users.

Nope.

Some of them are children. Some need or prefer Apple's locked in stuff (iMessage.) Not to mention Android is a slow burning trash fire.

I've seen so many ignorant comments like this about iOS lately I'm on the fence about deleting my HN account. I think I'd be happier, and all the people here who keep defending Apple's abuse would be happier.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by idle_zealot »

user-the-name wrote: post #73
gameswithgo wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If apple allowed me to install a different store or easily side load you wouldn’t be negatively impacted

That is just not true, though. If Apple allowed different stores, then software would migrate to those different stores for various reasons, but probably because they had less restrictions. That would force you to install those less secure stores to use that software, and you would give up the security you gain from Apple taking a hard line on many kinds of bad behaviour on their own store.

> If Apple allowed different stores, then software would migrate to those different stores… That would force you to install those less secure stores to use that software…

I think you’re underestimating the power of defaults. App developers know that the vast majority of users will not install an alternative app store, even if the platform allows them to. For proof, see the Android app ecosystem. There has been no migration from Google’s Play Store. There isn’t even a hint of store fragmentation. What you see is: 1) some OEMs run their own stores, which mostly rehost apps from Google’s store. These stores are not meant to be installed by arbitrary Android devices, so there is no chance that a user might feel compelled to install the store on their device. 2) F-Droid exists to host FOSS apps, some of which violate some asinine Google policy and as such are exclusive, but most of which are also available on the Play Store.

Basically, we have strong real-world evidence that allowing sideloading does not create app store fragmentation. If you want to argue against sideloading from a security standpoint, you’d be better served with the “sideloading allows an abusive spouse to install a keylogger/tracker on their partner’s phone” narrative.

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