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Re: Open-source alternatives to popular B2B tools

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In Germany average consulting rates, run around 100 euros per hour. https://www.freelancermap.com/blog/freelance-market-study-ge... Plus some management expenses, and it turns into around 1000 euros per delivery day for a FTE. Then we can go to the companies doing high level consulting and pull some notches still.

Sure, there's ample opportunity for everyone in the industry to throw money into the sea. The comment that I was replying to specifically referred to employee time per month. That's naturally going to be different from some high-rate consultant, so this is totally an apples-to-oranges comparison. Furthermore, it's a large market and there are plenty of consultancies in Europe charging significantly less than that.

I’ve had a quick look into some of the tools on the list. We even use at least one, but we still pay for the hosted solution. Why?

* We’re a shop full of developers, but none of us have the required skill set to host and debug a python app.

* We’re fairly well booked. Any time I’d assign one of the folks to maintaining tool X, I’d have to take from time assigned to client work. Which means the internal cost is not what’s interesting. What counts is “how much do I loose by not having them work in billable hours?”

All of this means that the calculation is strongly tilted in favor of buy.

Re: Open-source alternatives to popular B2B tools

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Some additional ideas: - Kanban - Kanboard ( https://github.com/kanboard/kanboard ) - Analytics - Matomo ( https://github.com/matomo-org/matomo ) - Content Management System - Grav ( https://github.com/getgrav/grav ) - Knowledge Base - BookStack ( https://github.com/BookStackApp/BookStack ) - Browser - Firefox ( https://github.com/mozilla ) - Image Manipulation ( https://github.com/GNOME/gimp ) - Observability Platfo…

There's one of those speech bubbles down below which you could probably use to get in touch with the authors, not sure if they will read this comment section.

Re: Open-source alternatives to popular B2B tools

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Everytime I look into B2B software space (I am a complete outsider, btw), I see that here and there always pop up some new company, offering something similar to competitors and what can be stiched together using open source (and almost free, not counting the support) tools. How these companies thrive? Why customers keep buying new stuff, when there are solutions already to most of the business neeeds out there (and…

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Re: Open-source alternatives to popular B2B tools

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> If it wastes 8 hours of employee time per month, that’s another $1k a month lost… it’ll require expensive developer time (likely costing the company $1000-$1500/day per engineer all-in) That's not universally true, of course. That money would buy you a week of developer time in most of Europe, and even a month of developer time in some developing economies.

> That money would buy you a week of developer time in most of Europe That's only true if you live in Poland and also ignore the all-in cost of your employees. A good rule of thumb is to assume 2-3x salary for the all-in cost of having a workforce.

In Germany, the average Software Dev salary is about 50k€/year. That's a total payroll cost of about 60k€/year after taxes, social security etc., so around 300€/workday. Add some money for office space, equipment, overhead, etc, and adjust by factor of two in either direction depending on location and role.

Of course if you hire a freelancer, prices are very different and 1500€/day is very reasonable.

Re: Open-source alternatives to popular B2B tools

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Some of these "open source" options are not really open source. - Outline uses the Business Source License 1.1, which eventually becomes open source (Apache 2) four years after each release. https://github.com/outline/outline/blob/main/LICENSE - Invoice Ninja uses Elastic License 2.0 (ELv2), which allows you to host it for yourself, but not for other people. https://github.com/invoiceninja/invoiceninja/blob/master/LI…

Right, they should also note the "freemium" ones like Odoo, which has a botchered "Open Source" version vs the Enterprise version.

Re: Open-source alternatives to popular B2B tools

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Sure, there's ample opportunity for everyone in the industry to throw money into the sea. The comment that I was replying to specifically referred to employee time per month. That's naturally going to be different from some high-rate consultant, so this is totally an apples-to-oranges comparison. Furthermore, it's a large market and there are plenty of consultancies in Europe charging significantly less than that.

I’ve had a quick look into some of the tools on the list. We even use at least one, but we still pay for the hosted solution. Why? * We’re a shop full of developers, but none of us have the required skill set to host and debug a python app. * We’re fairly well booked. Any time I’d assign one of the folks to maintaining tool X, I’d have to take from time assigned to client work. Which means the internal cost is not wh…

For you perhaps, in your circumstances. Surely you weren't thinking you could project your specific circumstance to software development companies more broadly?

Re: Open-source alternatives to popular B2B tools

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Some additional ideas: - Kanban - Kanboard ( https://github.com/kanboard/kanboard ) - Analytics - Matomo ( https://github.com/matomo-org/matomo ) - Content Management System - Grav ( https://github.com/getgrav/grav ) - Knowledge Base - BookStack ( https://github.com/BookStackApp/BookStack ) - Browser - Firefox ( https://github.com/mozilla ) - Image Manipulation ( https://github.com/GNOME/gimp ) - Observability Platfo…

Looker / Tableau alternative - Redash ( https://redash.io/ )

Re: Open-source alternatives to popular B2B tools

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Everytime I look into B2B software space (I am a complete outsider, btw), I see that here and there always pop up some new company, offering something similar to competitors and what can be stiched together using open source (and almost free, not counting the support) tools. How these companies thrive? Why customers keep buying new stuff, when there are solutions already to most of the business neeeds out there (and…

I think a good way to get an understanding of this is to start a company yourself. You’ll quickly learn why businesses make the decision to pay for software instead of cobbling together open source. Let’s say you’re a small, but growing company doing $2M ARR. You absolutely could run your email marketing using an open source tool hooked up to Amazon SES and save a thousand bucks a month over something like Mailchimp.…

Let me give you a counterpoint on this: non-developed countries (non 1st world countires?).

A startup in say, Mexico or LatAm will look at the OpenSource version of say Business Intelligence applications (Metabase, Superset in the link), then look at the commercial versions of them (Tableau, Lookr). With the price needed to pay for the commercial versions, the startup can hire 2 or 3 developers (at local rates) to do whatever improvements they need to the open source application.

Something similar happened to me with Jumio about 5 years ago: I wanted to use it. I spoke with their sales 2 or 3 times in 4 years. THe problem is that, every "verification" was costing more than $1 USD... for less than that cost, my company could hire 3 people a month to do manual verification and more (considering the cost of hiring + cost to the company, including Mexico's hefty employer costs). It never made economic sense to do implement automation.

Re: Open-source alternatives to popular B2B tools

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This is where the maxim of open source being 'free as in puppies not free as in beer/lunch' comes from. I started my career in open source and still strongly believe in FOSS tenets, but enterprises are looking more to de-risk their projects and platforms. Risk is reduced when you have a vendor you can hold accountable for issues in the product, hence making proprietary solutions (and sometimes open source but wrapped…

Any luck holding Microsoft, Google or Apple accountable for issues in their operating systems?

I am sure large companies have that lever: I know of a large multinational company (around 150,000 employees along all contintents) that moved from SuccessFactors to Workday. Those are huge contracts.
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