Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

arstechnica.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

91–100 of 222 posts

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

#91

Post by drivebyacct2 »

pkamb wrote: post #89
jbellis wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I used Windows on a multi-monitor setup I never found myself wishing, "if only I had a taskbar on each monitor." (Similarly, I've never wished for multiple docks on OSX.) So YMMV.

The dock is an application organizer, the taskbar is a window organizer. Big difference. The windows on each monitor should be represented in a taskbar on that same monitor. Easier to comprehend, faster to mouse to. The app Ultramon does this very well, it's essential for any multi-monitor Windows install.

With the default Windows 7 group and icon behavior, they're virtually identical in behavior...

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

#93

Post by natesm »

YooLi wrote: post #72
natesm wrote: post #36

On resuming application state: >So, how's that "geek panic" now? Still there, huh? Well, let me try to reassure you. As a committed user of a great Mac text editor that, years ago, implemented its own version of almost all the document management features described so far, I can tell you that you get used to it very quickly. Spoiled by it, in fact. Ruined by it, some would say. Yes, it's a very different model from t…

I'm not sure I follow. You mean that when you are working on something, you just shut down the application to close all your open files? BTW, the apps need to be updated to take advantage of resuming application state, so application authors can choose to not support it if it doesn't make sense (giant Photoshop files, etc.).

I casually dabble in making music with Logic. When you open it (in Snow Leopard), it opens the last opened project.

Logic is a pretty complex application, and there are a lot of different synths and filters. The synths take a lot of memory, since they have a large number (presumably) lossless audio samples in them (think every key on a piano, times X for X number of different strike velocities).

Therefore, Logic only loads the synths that are needed for files that you have open. It actually recommends with an alert box that you close your current file before opening another one.

When you open a file, it loads all of the synths for that file - this can take a long time.

The result is, when you open Logic, if the last file that you had opened isn't the one you want to work on now, you have to wait for that file to load, then close it, then open the file you actually want and wait for that one to load.

This probably won't be a problem for Adobe users, because Adobe is really bad at making native-feeling Mac OS software, so this probably won't be supported. But for Apple's document-based media applications (Final Cut and Logic, Aperture is different because of its nature), this is a bigger issue (Final Cut has some... bigger issues right now though).

The other issue is the privacy one. I used graphic designers working for competing clients as an example, but really, it could apply to anyone that values their privacy. Personally, I like my browser being a blank slate each time I start it back up.

A final issue that I can think of is with applications that tend to be opened by files (the user clicks on a file in Finder, not on the application). QuickTime and Preview are good examples. If I open a picture in Preview by double clicking it in Finder, typically I don't also want to see the last picture I viewed as well. I quit Preview when I was done looking at that picture for a reason - I was done with it.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

#94

Post by adestefan »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #55
asolove wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, this has been one of the fundamental UI differences between Mac OS (from farther back than OS X) and Windows/Linux. Mac windows can only be resized from the bottom-right, with those other points being used to drag the window around.

I haven't owned an Apple since my old IIgs, but from playing around with friends' and Apple Store Macs, I always wondered if there was just a non-obvious way for powerusers to maximize Mac windows for an alt-Tab type window switching workflow. Now I know there wasn't. Was this ever a pain point for powerusers, especially on laptops, or did you just get used to it?

Click the maximize button twice.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

#95

Post by mmuro »

I skipped about four pages from the middle of this review because it was just way too technical. I know he's an engineer and wants to cover these things, but I'm not interested in seeing so much coverage for something that very few people will get.

It's not so much a review as it is an overview.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

#96

Post by kayoone »

I dont really like the direction OSX is going tbh. Its clear that its going more and more into the iOS direction, consumer orientated, easy to use for average users but not very efficient for power users. Multiple Monitor workflow is even more awkward then before for example.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

#97

Post by slyn »

rahoulb wrote: post #78
euroclydon wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use tiling when I want two Windows to each occupy half of the screen. Let me ask you a question: What on God's green earth does the little green plus button do in OSX? I just pressed it three times on Chrome and here's what happened: 1) The windows was occupying the entire screen (thank you Cinch) and when I clicked the green plus, the window changed to roughly 600x800. 2) Window changed to to 600x1100. 3) Window d…

In old MacOS it was called "zoom", not "maximize" and the application developer was supposed to swap between the "ideal small size window" and the "ideal large size window". In this age of cross-platform apps, and people who are used to "maximize" instead of "zoom" it is a concept that has been long forgotten

I believe click green works as size to content or size to vertical max.

shift-click green is maximize.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

#98

Post by trebor »

justinchen wrote: post #18
euroclydon wrote: post #2

I'm disappointed in the answer to the following questions: Can I tile two windows without 17 clicks and mouse movements? Fortunately for the creator of Cinch, it seems the answer is no. Can I archive a gmail message? No?

I use Divvy for Mac for arranging windows. I love it. http://mizage.com/divvy/#divvyMac

I use Moom. It's inexpensive and you just hover your mouse above the maximize icon.

http://manytricks.com/moom/

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

#99

Post by MaysonL »

durin42 wrote: post #66
joblessjunkie wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty much the only phone number I can remember.

I wonder if there's an age difference thing here. I'm unusual for my early twenties (AFAICT) in that I have several numbers in my head (including most of my college phone numbers, original home phone number, etc). Most of my friends are helpless without their cell.

Interesting: at 65, I only remember my childhood phone #, my current cell # (which I had for a couple years before I memorized it), and a previous landline which I use at the grocery instead of their club card.

Re: John Siracusa's Mac OS X 10.7 Lion Review

#100

Post by stevenbedrick »

justinchen wrote: post #18
euroclydon wrote: post #2

I'm disappointed in the answer to the following questions: Can I tile two windows without 17 clicks and mouse movements? Fortunately for the creator of Cinch, it seems the answer is no. Can I archive a gmail message? No?

I use Divvy for Mac for arranging windows. I love it. http://mizage.com/divvy/#divvyMac

Yup, the fifteen bucks I spent on Divvy were definitely worth it.
Post reply on HN