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Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by wait_a_minute »

CameronNemo wrote: post #34
wait_a_minute wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not your business to verify anything. It’s up to the individual to do what is best for their own situation. Focus on decisions for your own self and family.

If we all lived on rural properties sure. But we share the space we live in to a high degree. Vaccination status is a matter of collective public health .

No it's not. Not in the United States lol, unless you work at some hospitals. Get vaccinated and wear a mask to avoid the Delta strain and stay at home more. You don't need to know someone else's status when you've got your own protection.

Whenever someone tries to justify something with "but the collective" alarm bells should really start going off. You know that in Florida and other states where there are no mandates like those, cases have been declining since last year and things are back to normal right?

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by standardUser »

chaostheory wrote: post #42

So there's no chance of immune escape? I thought at the very least, it'd be like the flu vaccines where the virus mutates often enough that we all need periodic booster shots.

The coronavirus does not mutate as rapidly as the flu, so there was always a good chance we wouldn't need frequent boosters.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by _Microft »

fy20 wrote: post #76
pkulak wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

30% of the population is violently (not a hyperbole) opposed to it.

Europe isn't doing much better. It has a lower % fully vaccinated (around 30% in each country, I can't find exact numbers for the whole EU). In a lot of countries the vaccines are now available to everyone over 18, and you can book appointments within a few days or just turn up. In Poland they are running a financial lottery to encourage people to be vaccinated. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuti…

We are still supply-limited in Germany. The number of new first doses are currently down because we need these doses for the second ones instead. 36% fully vaccinated, 54% have received the first dose at least. The percentages are of the total population, i.e. including kids which cannot even receive the vaccine yet, so we aren’t doing that bad, imo.

Check https://impfdashboard.de for up-to-date numbers.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by wait_a_minute »

kleer001 wrote: post #65
wait_a_minute wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not your business to verify anything. It’s up to the individual to do what is best for their own situation. Focus on decisions for your own self and family.

That's not how large groups of people work to contain infectious diseases. Anarchy doesn't scale. And dealing with contagious diseases needs to scale or there will be massive preventable suffering.

Get vaccinated and wear a mask to avoid the Delta strain. It's not "anarchy" to tell nosey people and some power-hungry office managers that this is not their business lol.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jaywalk wrote: post #8
hammock wrote: post #4

This is great news, adding to a report in Nature that the natural immunity produced in people who have already had covid may last a lifetime.[1] In case you hadn't heard, the Cleveland Clinic--consistently regarded as one of the top hospital systems in the United States and in the world--recently shared a study of 52,238 patients showing zero incremental benefit from the jab to the previously infected, recommending t…

It's time for the naturally immune to be treated the same as those who've been vaccinated. There is absolutely zero scientific evidence to the contrary, and plenty of evidence to support it.

> zero scientific evidence to the contrary, and plenty of evidence to support it

We have evidence that vaccination continue to provide broad-spectrum immunity while those naturally immune are e.g. still vulnerable to the Delta variant [1].

[1] https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/06/22/how-immunity-genera...

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by standardUser »

reedjosh wrote: post #88
r00fus wrote: post #52

Can someone tell me why we (US) don't have a vaccine passport yet?

Because authoritarianism is antithetical to our founding nature. A centralized database that is used to control individuals is akin to China's social credit system. I've actually started seeing people argue for China style systems, and I find it both frightening and sickening. When I start to push back at all, I usually get arguments like `Leave the US if you don't like it.`, and sure I'll just pick up and leave the…

Every American is in a whole myriad of government databases form the federal level on down. Pretending otherwise, or pretending that the next database will be the one to break individualism and lead to autocracy, is just magical thinking.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by reedjosh »

freddealmeida wrote: post #70

they also found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I don't believe a word of this. Let's wait for the longitudinal studies yes?

This is a one hundred percent relevant and accurate comment. I believe in ten years comments like this will be respected for saying it in a time when it was unpopular.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by willmadden »

jaywalk wrote: post #29
xadhominemx wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s hard to reliably verify previous infection and very safe and easy to get vaccinated, so what’s the point? I’m going to check your profile — 90% chance you spread antivax propaganda. Edit: yup. Every time.

It's not hard to reliably verify previous infection at all. A past positive Covid test or a positive antibody test will reliably verify immunity just as well as a vaccination record. Go check my profile all you want. The science is crystal clear, and you don't even have an argument against it aside from trying to attack me as an anti-vaxxer (which I am certainly not).

Please do not use the term "anti-vaxxer".

There are countless vaccines with varying safety profiles, unknowns, and underlying risks for the diseases they prevent.

People who make informed decisions about specific vaccines based on the risk/reward (and unknowns) are not "anti-vaxxers". It is not an all-or-nothing proposition.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by standardUser »

beervirus wrote: post #3

We’ll still probably need periodic booster shots to deal with variants as they crop up. Still, very encouraging news if it holds up in practice.

There is no evidence yet that boosters will be needed for either protection from variants or from diminishing immunity over time.
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