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The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric
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Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric
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> Petrol cars have significantly longer driving range, which is important for transport efficiency. 95%+ you charge at home or at work and a single fully charged battery is by far enough for daily use. > Petrol cars are significantly cheaper to buy. Life-time analysis of anything but very cheap cars this doesn't really hold up. > Petrol cars refuel significantly faster than electronic cars recharge. Not relevant most…
> 95%+ you charge at home or at work and a single fully charged battery is by far enough for daily use. Less than 35% of people in the EU live in detached houses. A sizable percentage of these either rent or don't have enclosed parking. My guess is that only about half of the population, once you factor in people who live in apartments but have separate enclosed parking spots, have the opportunity to charge an electr…
Not the whole population has cars either, specially in cities.
Adding Level 1 charger to outside parking spots is not very difficult and is already happening in many new developments.
Lots of people in cities park in parking garages where adding charging is easy to add any often still exists.
Charging at work places is also very possible and industrial area parking are adding these.
For people who drive long distance often in cities, going to a supercharger once in a while is also quite possible. Specially as Tesla and other increasingly add DC chargers in cities.
Its overall one of the bigger problems and that does limit EV however we are at 2%, nowhere even remotely close to be limited by that. However overall I agree, this is actually the area where states, cities and so on can actually make an impact.
This will solve itself when people start to want EV and try to figure out what the solution for their situation is.
Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric
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- Very few trips are long enough to deplete an EVs battery - EVs have significantly lower Total Costs of Ownership - To refuel your petrol car, you have to make an extra trip to the petrol station. While your EV is simply charged where it is parked overnight - The extraction, refinement and transportation of petrol pollutes way more than that EV battery will
> - Very few trips are long enough to deplete an EVs battery Ever drive to vacation by car? Or visit relatives a few hours away? Not all of our trips are inner-city or in a similarly small radius. So if you don't want 2 cars, electric is not an option. > - EVs have significantly lower Total Costs of Ownership Doesn't help with them being way more expensive in acquisition. There is also no used car market for them AFA…
> Ever drive to vacation by car?
Go look up people who road trip with EV, the experience is rather good. Your blanket assertion that this is simply impossible is just not the case in many regions.
Certainty in most people where people actually want to go.
Sure if you drive into bumbfuck nowhere in West Texas you might have an issue, but that is the waste minority of people.
Europe is better then the US. In the US if you are doing serious trips Tesla is clearly the best but others are growing fast as well.
> Or visit relatives a few hours away?
Tons of people do that with EV. A modern EV has multiple 100 miles of range. And stopping once at fast charger is really not that big of a deal. How often do you seriously do 300+ mile trips in a day?
Maybe you have a steel bladder and never pie or stop to stretch your legs or eat something. Stopping for 10min is really a deal breaker.
If you ask me I much rather be in a car that is much more quite for hours that drives with much more pop.
> Doesn't help with them being way more expensive in acquisition.
Most people use a loan anyway
> There is also no used car market for them AFAIK. This will all change in the future but currently they are no option for many people just because of the price.
Depending on your use-case there are some absurdly cheap EV. Bolt for example Those don't have some of the fast charge features and range mentioned above, but for people that don't need that it absolutely make sense to get a EV.
> Nice claim but I doubt that. It's always hard to do these comparisons fairly but battery manufacturing and disposal is very dirty business.
No it isn't a dirty business. This is just flat out false.
Battery manufacturing is really not that dirty. Telsa is building batteries in the middle of a city in California. You have some waste water that needs to be treated (and newer process manage to cut that out already). Currently to much intermediate products are transported but this is true for oil as well.
Can you explain what you specifically are referring to that is so horrible?
Li-Ion batteries get used and re-used and even after 10 plus years they still fetch a good price as people use them for custom builds and other hobby projects. Even if they totally break people will rip them open and reuse some of the cells.
Even after that pretty much every economic forecast shows that recycling for batteries will make a huge amount sense as it basically represents really high quality ore. So if you buy a car now, when in 15-20 years your battery is totally broken it will absolutely be recycled.
Data actually shows that very, very few Li-Ion batteries are getting disposed at all.
Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric
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My diesel and petrol cars really didn't like longer -30C weathers. The oil turns into mush and the poor 12V battery can't hold a charge. It was a roll of the dice every morning whether I could go to work each day. With an electric car, I sit in the car, press a button and it works. The cabin is hot within 5-10 minutes. Compared to my diesel, which started blowing hot air to the cabin around the time I was already at…
You had -30C winters and no engine block heater and battery tenders/jump kits? Electric cars only really work at sedan weight/form-factor right now. Most people who need to drive in extreme climates aren't really city drivers and typically need more capable types of vehicles to go with the terrain...if not all out industrial vehicles entirely. Heavy equipment like that isn't even viable with electric vehicles yet.
> Electric cars only really work at sedan weight/form-factor right now.
Complete nonsense. SUV/CUV are by far most new models.
All major manufactures have pick-up programs for next year.
> Most people who need to drive in extreme climates aren't really city drivers and typically need more capable types of vehicles to go with the terrain...if not all out industrial vehicles entirely.
They guy who has bought the most Teslas lives on the arctic circles. EV are incredibly popular in Norway and also the other nordic places. EV are very popular in Switzerland where we have high mountains, and go skiing there all the time.
Apparently it works for all of those people. But I guess people the state go on 500 mile expeditions to Alaska multiple times a month.
> Heavy equipment like that isn't even viable with electric vehicles yet.
Seems like your are moving the goal post pretty fast. By far most people that don't live in cities drive normal CUV/sedan/hatchbacks.
Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric
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Not a modern one. An outdated, inefficient one, sure. But not one that is actually built to be efficient.
The Fiat 500 from 1957 got 43mpg. Imagine what could be done, if car manufacturers were not focussed on the lease market, meeting the newest emissions regulations (more relevant in Europe), and filling cars with electronic toys.
Renault Twingo III gets 66 mpg, while having much more space and being generally more useful.
Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric
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None of the things you mention are mutually exclusive. They all combine very nicely.
Excellent. Then I will continue running my cheap ICE, avoiding the cost and environmental damage associated with an EV, all while cycling to work and other destinations as much as possible.
That's just not an argument that works. You could cut your emissions down even more by using an electric vehicle.
Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric
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The Fiat 500 from 1957 got 43mpg. Imagine what could be done, if car manufacturers were not focussed on the lease market, meeting the newest emissions regulations (more relevant in Europe), and filling cars with electronic toys.
Renault Twingo III gets 66 mpg, while having much more space and being generally more useful.
Yep, there are modern engines that will do that. I was using the example of an older engine, because they are generally much more fixable (which was OP's original point).
Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric
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Excellent. Then I will continue running my cheap ICE, avoiding the cost and environmental damage associated with an EV, all while cycling to work and other destinations as much as possible.
That's just not an argument that works. You could cut your emissions down even more by using an electric vehicle.
Why would I do that? I've already made significant choices about the way I have arranged my life, so that I am not reliant on a car. I have already more than exceeded any CO2 reduction that an EV would provide over it's life, and have done so without lining the pockets of automobile manufacturers and mining companies, as well as avoided extra environmental pollution. I have also done all this without needing to deal with all the downsides of an EV.
I take it you have electric heating and hot water at your house?
Re: The Next Car You Buy Should Be Electric
#100Earlier quoted context omitted.
You had -30C winters and no engine block heater and battery tenders/jump kits? Electric cars only really work at sedan weight/form-factor right now. Most people who need to drive in extreme climates aren't really city drivers and typically need more capable types of vehicles to go with the terrain...if not all out industrial vehicles entirely. Heavy equipment like that isn't even viable with electric vehicles yet.
> Electric cars only really work at sedan weight/form-factor right now. Complete nonsense. SUV/CUV are by far most new models. All major manufactures have pick-up programs for next year. > Most people who need to drive in extreme climates aren't really city drivers and typically need more capable types of vehicles to go with the terrain...if not all out industrial vehicles entirely. They guy who has bought the most T…
> SUV/CUV are by far most new models.
And are not work trucks. They also don't weigh much different from your average luxury 4-door sedan these days.
Well-civilized places like you are talking about are not really extreme environments.