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The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by bserge »

mikestew wrote: post #47
axbytg wrote: post #5

Reddit is full of these patterns in order to drive users from mobile web to app. Reddit mobile web really sets the bar for user-hostile UI in my opinion.

I don't have a Reddit account, and every time I use it I am reminded why. Their patterns have taken me from "I should create an account one of these days" to "there is nothing on the Internet that I need to see so badly that I would let Reddit see anymore about me than my IP address." It's almost as if they are taunting users: "give up and create an account, or go home. Oh, and use the fucking mobile app while you're…

Sadly, it's a humongous amalgamation of forums that has taken all the users from niche forums I used to frequent.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by dash2 »

On Firefox, when I load instagram, it deletes my history so I can't click back. I can't believe they'd deliberately be that shitty... is this some weird bug?

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by frereubu »

fullstop wrote: post #63
tgtweak wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pinterest and Reddit are not better these days. The amount of things you can view on reddit on your phone without creating an account or installing the app is dwindling daily. Every time my wife sends me a Pinterest link I just ask her to screenshot it as I can't see shit on the default mobile page. I don't even know why Google continues to allow them in the results when there is clear-cut policies around showing som…

old.reddit.com is still around, for now, and does not have any of this garbage.

I'm starting to find that title links to posts with multiple images just link back to the page you're on. It feels like it's just going to slowly disintegrate. Which I think on balance I'd be happy about because I spend too much time on there anyway.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by rescripting »

lonbigtech wrote: post #20
rescripting wrote: post #12

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What is worse, is that even though I installed the official app to squelch this nonsense (the Fuck You Pattern is effective) the mobile site still prompts with "Open in the Reddit App". When I click it my iPhone opens the App Store. The App Store then has a big blue "Open" button to launch the app, but of course all context is lost and opening from there brings you to your Reddit front page.

What browser are you using on your phone?

Safari, nothing fancy.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by bserge »

vimax wrote: post #72

Where are the developers implementing this stuff on large social media, especially Reddit who had such a user friendly founding? Surely they're here on HN. I'd love to hear their thinking in going along with this, assuming it's something better than "fuck the users I want to get paid." How do you join the dev team for a service you like and use, and then knowingly destroy it?

Hey, I would if 1. I got paid for it; 2. I'd justify it with "fuck this platform, everyone should go back to individual websites/blogs/forums".

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by Aperocky »

nousermane wrote: post #51
Aperocky wrote: post #33

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From this perspective it's amazing. I ditched Windows completely for about 5 years (coinciding with my time in Software). And had to deal with none of these problems any more, I always remember that I hated windows for some reason but can't seem to pinpoint/remember, but now you've reminded me.

What OS did you switch to?

macOS and Linux.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by thatswrong0 »

mcbutterbunz wrote: post #69
fullstop wrote: post #63

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old.reddit.com is still around, for now, and does not have any of this garbage.

It'll eventually be removed with the reasoning that its hardly used and most traffic uses the new Reddit and now they can focus on improvements without having to support this legacy code.

And then I will stop using Reddit for the most part (although it's still the best resource for finding authentic reviews of things / services.. I Google " reddit" more often than not these days). Which is probably for the best for my productivity / sanity tbh

The redesign is still a slower, worse experience, especially on mobile.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by jandrese »

lainga wrote: post #65
nkingsy wrote: post #4

Q: But what about the unauthenticated existing users we might alienate? A: There’s no way to gather data on that so it’s not a thing. This is the problem with “data driven” decision making in a nutshell. It has annoyed me to no end at every company I’ve worked for.

>US Air Force Brigadier General Edward Lansdale reportedly told McNamara,[3] who was trying to develop a list of metrics to allow him to scientifically follow the progress of the war, that he was not considering the feelings of the common rural Vietnamese people. McNamara wrote it down on his list in pencil, then erased it and told Lansdale that he could not measure it, so it must not be important. https://en.wikiped…

Sentiment analysis is a real thing. Of course collecting poll data on questions like "How much do you approve of the US Air Force turning large parts of your country to a moonscape? Rate from 1 to 5" probably wouldn't have gone over so well.

On the other hand, virtually every study of the Vietnam war said it was a huge mistake and Domino theory was bullshit.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by Groxx »

avalys wrote: post #22
Groxx wrote: post #11

Yeah - this is why I stay out of Instagram. They're repeatedly, blatantly hostile to any non-user use. At least they're not as bad as Pinterest, which has done this for years, plus their million alternate domains polluting search results.

What exactly is a “non-user use”?

E.g. sending links to your post to friends and family. Many family members don't have accounts, and some days all they see is a login prompt. Many times, my recipient is on a different device / using a different browser / cleared their cookies because their ISP tech support somehow thinks that helps - some days, all they see is a login prompt, and don't remember their password, and don't want to go searching for it.

All of this has ensured that none of them like Instagram links, and do not want an account.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Post by rescripting »

judge2020 wrote: post #34
rescripting wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is worse, is that even though I installed the official app to squelch this nonsense (the Fuck You Pattern is effective) the mobile site still prompts with "Open in the Reddit App". When I click it my iPhone opens the App Store. The App Store then has a big blue "Open" button to launch the app, but of course all context is lost and opening from there brings you to your Reddit front page.

Reddit's app registers itself as a uri handler for reddit links but (thanks to google) AMP or iframe results don't prompt the actual system uri handler that would take you to the app.

Oh wow, is this what happens when multiple Fuck You Patterns collide?
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