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They have the most productive and high quality engineers in the game. And I say this as someone that whinces at telegram for not having e2e encryption by default.
> whinces at telegram for not having e2e encryption by default On desktop* there is no e2ee even among the options. * where "desktop" includes GNU/Linux phones.
Telegram is getting so many cool features that I really wonder how long can it sustain being ad-free and user-centric.
Exactly. It recently got a feature that totally obliterates Clubhouse out of the Pacific ocean. At this point Telegram is unrivalled and already has almost everything that WhatApp has, except for E2EE turned on by default.
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The only feature I can think of since that growth annoys the shit out of me. They've started syncing notification settings, so I can either have both my laptop and my phone beeping or none. Combine that with working within a small team that primarily uses Signal and it's absolutely terrible. Leave them off and you'll miss something important. Leave them on and my phone beeps after work hours. And since there's nothin…
"Leave them off and you'll miss something important. Leave them on and my phone beeps after work hours. And since there's nothing in between pausing them for 8h or 1 day, I forget to turn them on in the morning." My android phone has a global "do not disturb" feature for notifications, so I'm not disturbed during sleeping hours. Can you use that?
> during sleeping hours
There's an important difference there. I think the GP wants their phone to keep working when they're off work -- including giving them notifications in other apps, for personal conversations.
To me Telegram feels like the red corner district of a city. I simply don't feel like I can trust it, there's something very shady about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Telegram reads those exclusive Bitcoin whale groups and uses that insider info. Group chats are not end to end encrypted. That being said, WhatsApp is like the authorized garage where you know that you'll get the service which is officially recognized…
Curious how WhatsApp makes you feel screwed over? The work they do to ensure end to end encryption is impressive.
Facebook derives valuable data about you through WhatsApp in three channels:
- analyzing the content of your discussions before they get encrypted and sent,
- the app acts like a Trojan horse into you smartphone. It collects data such as your device model, geolocation, contacts, text messages with all activation/verification texts from third parties, the list of apps you installed, when you wake up or go to bed, when you sleep or do other things in bed (thank you gyroscopic sensors), etc.
- Through the correlation of real-time data collected from other smartphones, Facebook also acquires who you met, spend time with, where and when.
As you can see, you don't get end to end encryption for philanthropic reasons but because that's simply not where the money is and that's what gullible customers ask for.
end to end encryption is like when you get offered tap water at the restaurant: for many customers, it provides then with a feeling of self satisfaction.
But it doesn't improve the quality of the food at all...
Hope I brought some light in the topic :)
200,000 users for group chat. Unlimited users for voice chat (like clubhouse). 30 users for group video calling. That limit will be increased later. Flawless sync across platforms. Secret chats - the e2ee chats self-destruct between users and stay on the device where it has been initiated. Robust third party clients-that add more functionality to the official app. (I use Utyagram; Plus is another popular mod, but is closed source). Unlimited users for channels - that work as broadcast lists. The lists goes on and on.
To me Telegram feels like the red corner district of a city. I simply don't feel like I can trust it, there's something very shady about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Telegram reads those exclusive Bitcoin whale groups and uses that insider info. Group chats are not end to end encrypted. That being said, WhatsApp is like the authorized garage where you know that you'll get the service which is officially recognized…
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This doesn't say anything about encryption.
Read again, it does. Durov mentioned they've been working on group "secret" chats. Secret is just another term for end-to-end encryption in telegram.
To me Telegram feels like the red corner district of a city. I simply don't feel like I can trust it, there's something very shady about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Telegram reads those exclusive Bitcoin whale groups and uses that insider info. Group chats are not end to end encrypted. That being said, WhatsApp is like the authorized garage where you know that you'll get the service which is officially recognized…
I don’t know if it’s the Russian style or the slightly nsfw emoji it packs by default but the program feels sus. Plus, I feel like it’s only hot news recently because of the Trump-follower-exodus. Plus all the gushing in this thread seems a bit over the top. What’s special about it over WhatsApp or heck even WeChat?
If you’re not willing to sacrifice too much UX for privacy, it kicks the pants off of a lot alternatives while still, ostensibly, not being the worst offender privacy-wise.
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It's bothersome that you don't admit that your false statement was false and continue to double down with irrelevant discussion. Telegram has E2EE therefore you are wrong. "Telegram is not E2EE" is factually incorrect. WhatsApp has E2EE however it ships your private keys to cloud storage by default. So it's even less secure than Telegram.
If you install Telegram and message someone, your message is not E2EE. That falls under "not E2EE" in my book.