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Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by dresdenfire »

junon wrote: post #83
anonygler wrote: post #9

That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…

> SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. Where? lol

Mostly US in SV, NYC, SEA. But even in UK, FAANG salary for 5-10 years can be around £300k+

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by junon »

sydthrowaway wrote: post #90
junon wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. Where? lol

Refreshers stacking + stock appreciation, I'd guess.

I didn't take it to mean stock appreciation, as pay directly means salary where I'm from.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by onion2k »

anonygler wrote: post #9

That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…

SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience.

I don't think that's really true.

I'm not arguing that there aren't SWEs whose total comp is $600k. There definitely are. However, those people aren't really SWEs. They're managers, architects, and strategists. They have a lot of people reporting to them, they make decisions about very high level things that are only tangentially related to code, and they work on guiding other engineers to find solutions to hard problems. No doubt being a developer before getting to that role is incredibly helpful and makes you better at it, but if you're earning $600k I very much doubt you're spending more than 25% of your time sat at a keyboard with an IDE open.

If you want to earn that much after a decade in work you'd be much better off polishing your management and strategy skills than learning how to write better code.

And yes, I realise I'm totally falling in to the 'no true Scotsman' trap here. But sometimes a Scotsman is just an MBA in a kilt. :)

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by Google234 »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #82
rejectedandsad wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly would, just because of how we seem to be perceived by the labor market (considering I make less than a Google new grad as a SDE2) but otherwise I don't really have any complaints. Sadly, I think I've reached my peak intellectual potential, and even that was through an easy way (doing an internship and getting a conversion offer). I'd never be able to pass Google HC, and haven't before because I simply don'…

Dude, Google have 100,000 employees. They can't all be Mensa level IQ.

Actually, they could :p. What’s 2% of 9 billion?

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by Google234 »

junon wrote: post #83
anonygler wrote: post #9

That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…

> SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. Where? lol

500k is about L6. You ahou get that within 10 years if you want

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by creato »

ashhdsfsa28378 wrote: post #81
anonygler wrote: post #9

That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…

To clarify, I can say from experience (having personally helped convert 6 engineering residents at Google), I'm pretty confident the "less pay and a smaller stock refresh" in the article is referring to conversion offers to FTE and stock refreshes after the first year of FTE employment, not to their pay during their residency. Those FTE conversion offers were terrible, from what I saw, with no room for negotiation. T…

> with no room for negotiation.

The only room for negotiation is being willing to walk (usually because you have an offer somewhere else).

Otherwise, it's not negotiating, it's just begging.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by discobot2 »

onion2k wrote: post #93
anonygler wrote: post #9

That's insane. The residency program is a way for people from unique backgrounds to enter into the software engineering field with less stringent interview requirements. SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. This was an incredible opportunity and it's an absolute shame that internal protests killed it. Yes, you get less pay and a smaller stock refresh, but I know a few people who's careers…

SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. I don't think that's really true. I'm not arguing that there aren't SWEs whose total comp is $600k. There definitely are. However, those people aren't really SWEs. They're managers, architects, and strategists. They have a lot of people reporting to them, they make decisions about very high level things that are only tangentially related to code, and th…

500-600K is L5-L6 at google CA, which is still a lot of coding and maybe some reports, but not necessary.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by b20000 »

sneak wrote: post #88
b20000 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

bold? as long as there is no discrimination going on they can do what they want. the problem is, there is plenty of discrimination going on. maybe you don’t care because you work there. good for you. sooner or later, it will matter to you.

Discrimination against all but protected classes (eg race, religion, et c) is not only legal but standard practice; when hiring SWEs you want to discriminate against the inexperienced, those bad at code, et c.

the point here is that not everyone goes through the same recruiting process because of these programs. also, coding interviews do not test if you are a good software engineer or computer scientist. they test how well you memorized optimal solutions to problems and how quickly you can reproduce them. they also discriminate against those with anxiety or other mental issues or those who have not recently graduated. and they do not test many important skills besides writing code.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by junon »

Google234 wrote: post #95
junon wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> SWE can pay upwards of $500-600k after 5-10 years of experience. Where? lol

500k is about L6. You ahou get that within 10 years if you want

I've been a software engineer professionally for 11 years. I've never had a peer make near that. I even worked at Uber in downtown SF.

Re: Google drops engineering residency after protests over ‘inequities’

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Post by skt5 »

lrem wrote: post #79
gravypod wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Opinions are my own. I know nothing about this program.) Using StackOverflow's [0] aggregated statistics of pay based on experience + location we can get some rough estimates Over a 5 to 10 year span as a developer at Google you'd probably touch: Java, Golang, C++, Python, and some part of GCP (or very similar tech). Pay is also different from market location so if we look only at the USA we can look at SF and Manha…

I have hit L6 after 7 years of steep upward trajectory. I have been hired with a PhD and four years of part-time industry experience. I got it now because two years ago our org got a new leader with a mindset very similar to mine, while at the same time a solution I've been developing for a couple years was just found by a tens-of-billions-usd problem. Sure, over the 7 years I've met a couple engineers with a similar…

L3 to L6 in 7 years is very impressive. Even L4 to L6 in 7 years is impressive. I would expect a talented engineer would be able to go from L3 to L6 in 10 years.
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