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Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by francisofascii »

nostromo wrote: post #19

There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

What some educational systems are missing is a class on how to identify propaganda, just like this blog post. Sometimes this is covered in a logic course that covers logical reasoning, logical fallacies, etc. How these techniques are used in advertising, news stories, etc.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by ttt0 »

DangitBobby wrote: post #89
ttt0 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to necessarily pick on the left here, but the most in-your-face example is all the so-called 'wokeness' in the media. This is a conscious effort to promote the 'inclusiveness' or however you want to phrase it. It's discussed openly how do you want people to react to what you publish. Have you ever considered that it might be your own personal biases that you don't see it?

How does one distinguish between propoganda and universally accepted truth? It's not propaganda that tomorrow is Wednesday. Basically everyone will tell you it is and want you to believe it is. Same with planetary roundness. Is that propaganda too? Let's say for the sake of argument, all of the ideals driving "wokeness" are actually rooted in the truth. Would it still be propaganda? How would you know?

Truth and propaganda are not mutually exclusive.

Edit: Finally when we got an actually interesting topic to discuss among the ocean of controversies everyone forgets in a week and tech equivalents of cute animal pictures, mods suddenly decided to limit my account and I can no longer respond to anything. I don't want to deal with this BS, bye.

Last response, since I can't respond directly to shuntress:

Feel free to post examples of right-leaning media doing it. Like for example the mask idiocy, because your example doesn't make any sense. As I said, it wasn't my intention on picking on the left here. It's just that the 'mainstream' right don't have the 'activist spirit' like the left or the fringes have, so it happens behind the closed doors and saying the same about the right would be technically a mere speculation on my part. Activism on the other hand happens out in the open on the internet and you can see all the tactics for yourself. Also I'd love to refute the 'wokeness' meaning 'being polite', but that would probably be a somewhat longer discussion and given the situation I'm unable to do it. You can thank the mods.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by systemvoltage »

seventytwo wrote: post #83
systemvoltage wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Progressive propaganda is insidious not just in schools, but big tech, social media, at NASA and the military, virtue signaling at every opportunity. Completely unchecked and uncontested. I’m fine with the motifs, but what’s not acceptable is inability to criticize aspects of it without people calling you names and gaining moral superiority over you. It alienates people and is dangerous for the society. I have a deep…

You mean, like, science and empathy? Ffs…

That’s basically the reason I can’t get behind conservative causes, it’s not about classic conservatism, it’s what we colloquially call “Trumpism”.

I would readily rally behind a center left or center right candidate that rejects both extremes.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by HWR_14 »

reedjosh wrote: post #75
benjohnson wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. Private school do have 'propaganda' - but that's perfectly ok if it aligns with the parent's wishes. As the parents, we have the right to chose how our children are raised.

> As the parents, we have the right to chose how our children are raised. Downvoted for raising your children as you'd like. Lol, that's HN for ya.

Children aren't property. It's perfectly reasonable for society to take children away from parents. We do it for various forms of abuse. We obviously want to be careful, but I see no reason to allow 14-year-olds to get married off by their parents to adult men in their cult. Nor do I think it's okay to change that to the parents let their 14-year-olds get groomed for 4 years either.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by infamouscow »

slg wrote: post #48
WalterBright wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The intent is pretty clear. You can distinguish it from sloppy journalism fairly easily. Especially when the stories from one particular outfit all slant the same way.

I am sorry but I have no idea how one would come to the conclusion that 90% of journalists are engaging in intentional propaganda. I can understand if you think they have unconscious biases that influence their work, but believing 90% of the profession ix trying to actively manipulate you is just disconnected from reality.

You mean like how every left-leaning media publication said the lab-leak hypothesis was debunked, even though there was not a shred of evidence to substantiate debunking?

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by HWR_14 »

nescioquid wrote: post #70
nostromo wrote: post #19

There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

Susan Jacoby[1] made the case that the lack of a federal/national education system (the constitution makes it a state responsibility) historically results from Americans' fears of indoctrination by such an education system -- specifically that their children would not be properly indoctrinated into their religion, or worse, be indoctrinated into someone else's religion. [1] Age of American Unreason

That's strange. There's no federal system because of 9th amendment issues. And there was no federal right in the original constitution because universal education is a fairly new concept.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by bgroat »

milkytron wrote: post #23

> Thus, understanding propaganda to guard yourself against it requires not only the use of sound and cogent logic and a set of facts, it requires being on guard against emotional responses. This, I believe, is so important to living in the modern era of constant information and media consumption at our fingertips. Reading (or even participating in) arguments online is one thing I see a lot of. Tons of emotional respo…

Honestly, the answer is gaslighting.

They trust you, they trust this source.

State the idea that you want them to believe, and then back it up with a manufactured argument from this source they trust.

They won't remember if it was ever said. They just know that they trust you, and they trust your source.

Use this power responsible.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by ab737 »

jb775 wrote: post #33
WalterBright wrote: post #13

Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.

I majored in Media Studies in college...it's literally all bullshit propaganda. Even if the underlying story is true, they twist and warp the facts and selectively cover events based on the agenda they are pushing. All media is owned by probably 5 people....but the general population eats that shit up and seems to get offended if you inform them of that.

Not surprising. You have these nepotistic rags espousing hatred for the working class which the upper-middle class eats up.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by bosswipe »

nostromo wrote: post #19

There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

The bigger concern is that professional educators are being overruled by politicians about what is in the curriculum. Such as the recent wave of anti-Critical Race Theories laws being handed down because of a panic created by right-wing media.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by wolverine876 »

nostromo wrote: post #19

There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

> indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education

What evidence do you have that it is happening and on what scale?

My teachers, all that I recall, never presented any opinion or perspective as truth. It was always about thinking critically for ourselves. If, for example, they presented a well-established view on the sinking of the Maine, it was as material for our analysis and evaluation.

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