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How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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I wonder what the stats are on how many amazing candidates they are losing because someone had an edible on a weekend 9 months ago. “Sorry, you admitted you drank a beer 6 months back. Try again in a couple of years and don’t drink!”

“Sorry, you admitted you drank a beer 6 months back. Try again in a couple of years and don’t admit that you drink!”

You undergo polygraph to join FBI, no? Seems like a bad idea to start under false pretenses.

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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Quite frankly she doesn’t come across as very smart, and certainly not very technologically sophisticated. The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development. It is interesting that they’re hiring based on job boards. I don’t know how normal gangs recruit but I’d guess it’s a lot of word of mouth. It seems when there are real honest alternatives out there for skilled…

This doesn’t in any way downplay your point, I just noticed this sentence and it made me think: “The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development.” It’s probably natural for most folks on HN to consider “googling problems” an obvious, basic first solution - but I’m always stunned by how many people in real life, outside of the IT industry, don’t have that path in th…

I regularly teach an Information for IT professionals course in a college. My first assignment, (group, part icebreaker) involves

- comparing different search engines (to google, mostly)

- seeing if you can find patent numbers, etc.

- and the best, I mix up a bunch of "real" and "fake" sites

(e.g., the Carbon Monoxide awareness site and then the Dihydrogen Monoxide site, and giggle as they critique that the second one needs a better web designer and needs to be more professional...)

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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Quite frankly she doesn’t come across as very smart, and certainly not very technologically sophisticated. The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development. It is interesting that they’re hiring based on job boards. I don’t know how normal gangs recruit but I’d guess it’s a lot of word of mouth. It seems when there are real honest alternatives out there for skilled…

The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development. You need to understand a domain somewhat well in order to Google effectively. For example, I don't know anything about flowers. Sometimes I see a flower that I'd like to identify, but I can't really Google it -- aside from color and perhaps the number of petals I'd have no idea what terms I'd use to describe a flower…

Some UX concepts are like this. Surely I’m not the only one who arrives at a problem I can’t describe to google in a way that returns meaningful results?

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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Most drug dealers I know just do it to achieve a lifestyle they wouldn't normally be capable of with their existing job(s).

Most drug dealers are doing it so they can smoke/drink for free maybe make a few dollars.

Some, knew one in college paying the 40k/yr tuition selling overpriced molly/weed/coke to the students. Good racket lol.

He got his degree and then went into some marketing and sales gig for a decade is doing quite well and I believe continues to sell on the side to trusted clients so not a street dealer (saw him last year at a buddies wedding).

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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Pretty sure 20% of my value as a professional web builder and resident family tech support rep is my ability or willingness to "Google" something. I'm being 100% serious - I attribute most of my tech knowledge simply to my curiosity, and willingness to search out a solution. Many people (including my own kids) are happy to A) not know or B) ask someone else (me).

Don't think this is new either. Before we even had internet access at work people would ask me for help with excel or some other program and the first thing I would do would be to use built in help. Many folks just don't understand how much help a book/helpfile/internet can be.

It's not even unique to IT/software; my ex-girlfriend was a vet an she just googles things as well. Turns out there are lots of veterinary procedures on YouTube for example, and for some of the rarer chirurgies and such you need to do it's pretty useful.

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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> The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development. What does, according to you?

Taking a course, reading books, watching lectures, and actually building projects in new domains. I'm not going to learn machine learning by googling each step and copy/pasting stack overflow. I'm not going to learn how TCP works by Googling and copy/pasting stack overflow at each requirement. Skill development is something that takes a lot of time and practice. None of that is to say that stack overflow isn't useful…

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Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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Quite frankly she doesn’t come across as very smart, and certainly not very technologically sophisticated. The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill development. It is interesting that they’re hiring based on job boards. I don’t know how normal gangs recruit but I’d guess it’s a lot of word of mouth. It seems when there are real honest alternatives out there for skilled…

For people downvoting me, I'd love to know why. The many comments here aren't negating what I said or explaining why I was wrong.

You're saying she's dumb because she Googles the answer.. not the part where she hosts malware on her own domain? Maybe voluntarily travelling to the US from a country with no extradition deal with the US? It's the Googling that does it haha

Being able to search is a legitimate skill that relatively few have too. We will probably disagree a bunch here, I can't be fluffed to have that to and fro -- so I downvoted and moved on

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This reminds me of the story in Freakanomics about the street level drug dealers making basically minimum wage, with the majority of the money going to high level traffickers who are typically firewalled through layers of middlemen.

It doesn't say what these coders make. But, as with the dealers, it's likely tax free, so even "minimum wage" is better than it sounds.

No benefits, no social security, no resume, no references (outside the criminal world, if they even use references), no personal network (outside crime), permanent and catastrophic damage to your reputation if you are caught ... but you save on taxes!

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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“Sorry, you admitted you drank a beer 6 months back. Try again in a couple of years and don’t admit that you drink!”

You undergo polygraph to join FBI, no? Seems like a bad idea to start under false pretenses.

Polygraphs are bogus pseudoscience.

Re: How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?

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Most drug dealers are doing it so they can smoke/drink for free maybe make a few dollars.

While we're being honest, there's a small segment that sells because they think it cool. That whole gangster rap testosterone street $900 shoe guy. In college, I moved into a very cheap apartment. I had no idea, it was the worst part of Oakland. I saw some things that didn't make any sense. Some successful dealers had other opportunities. Most probally didn't. I was so naieve, I didn't know my roommate was selling un…

I'm sorry to hear that about your friend. Its never good to hear about how someone threw their life away for temporary rewards.

You say they weren't violent, but violence is not the only reason we incarcerate individuals. He broke the law, he knew it, he got caught, and now he's living with those consequences. I hope he learns a lot from this and decides to no longer break the law in the future. I hope others can read your story and decide that breaking the law is not worth it.

People are very cavalier with "non violent drug charges" as if dealing drugs is value neutral. It is not. There is societal harm to dealing drugs and I'm grateful for laws that forbid it and punish individuals that do it.

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