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Re: Time to sunburn

#91

I _hate_ sunscreen. It's unpleasant to wear. I always do, but it's not my favorite part of summer by far. This year i am experimenting with rashguards and big stupid floppy hats.

Unless you are a field worker, fisherman, truck driver or some other similar professions, I think you can ignore the sunscreen. You are very rarely forced to be exposed to the harshest sun for prolonged periods of time.

You're overlooking outdoor activities like biking, snowboarding, and sailing.

Re: Time to sunburn

#93
If people could avoid as much as possible suncreams, that'd be great (using natural protections, clothes, ...), just for their plastic wrapping at least, I know some are said to be environment-safe, but still

Re: Time to sunburn

#94
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But, after 50+ years of rising sunscreen use, there's essentially no data showing more sunscreen use reduces skin cancer. Sunscreen definitely prevents sunburns, and almost certainly delays visible skin aging/weathering. Those may be enough benefits for some people. But the people/populations using more sunscreen are also having more skin cancer. Some theories compatible with these observations are: • While preventin…

>But the people/populations using more sunscreen are also having more skin cancer Um, you missed the most obvious explanation (assuming that's even true): People who have an elevated risk of skin cancer (due to geographic location and/or skin type) are likely to use more sunscreen for that very reason, but despite their sunscreen use they're still at an elevated risk of cancer because sunscreen cannot eliminate all r…

This sort of confounder is common, but we have in the US a population that, over the decades, is (pre-exposure) no more pale/susceptible-to-burns.

The public has been bombarded for decades with the health message to avoid the sun, and a deep tan has become less fashionable. (My younger friends, especially, treat minimizing tans/exposure as an almost religious obligation.)

Sunscreens have broadened the wavelengths they block – they used to mostly skip UVA, thinking it harmless – and upped their SPF factors. (In the 1980s, I recall SPF15 as the max - now it's SPF30, SPF80, SPF100.) Sales & usage of sunscreen keep growing.

But melanoma case rates are still on a long-term rising trend. Deaths have finally improved slightly in the last few years - likely from earlier detection & better treatment.

If the population's generally the same, but slathering on far more sunscreen every decade – but cases still go up & mortality barely budges – there's little hint of effective protection.

Re: Time to sunburn

#95

If people could avoid as much as possible suncreams, that'd be great (using natural protections, clothes, ...), just for their plastic wrapping at least, I know some are said to be environment-safe, but still

Where are you that suncream packaging is the most concerning litter?

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#96

If people could avoid as much as possible suncreams, that'd be great (using natural protections, clothes, ...), just for their plastic wrapping at least, I know some are said to be environment-safe, but still

I understand this sentiment, but preventing cancer and pain is a pretty good reason to generate some trash, in my experience. there's a lot of truly wasteful plastic use out there, but I would not say this is one of them.

Re: Time to sunburn

#97
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You are repeatedly damaging your skin which is why it's darker.

You are repeatedly damaging your muscles and tendons in the gym which is why they become bigger, stronger and denser. So where does that leave us?

How many times have you heard of someone getting muscle cancer from going to the gym?

Re: Time to sunburn

#98
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This is not correct, https://www.fda.gov/about-fda/center-drug-evaluation-and-res... There is a popular misconception that SPF relates to time of solar exposure. For example, many consumers believe that, if they normally get sunburn in one hour, then an SPF 15 sunscreen allows them to stay in the sun 15 hours (i.e., 15 times longer) without getting sunburn. This is not true because SPF is not directly related to time…

I don't see anything in that article that actually contradicts the definition of SPF. It's basically saying: > It's a common misconception that speed determines how fast you get to your destination, but actually distance also matters. So speed does not reflect time to destination. Instead, speed lets consumers compare the level of relative quickness and that 60mph is quicker than 6mph. Obviously we need to hold other…

If you're standing under a UV light that's constant, I think the SPF === time works. In the real world, where the sun, ya know, rises and sets, this is actually a harmful assumption.

Re: Time to sunburn

#99
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But, after 50+ years of rising sunscreen use, there's essentially no data showing more sunscreen use reduces skin cancer. Sunscreen definitely prevents sunburns, and almost certainly delays visible skin aging/weathering. Those may be enough benefits for some people. But the people/populations using more sunscreen are also having more skin cancer. Some theories compatible with these observations are: • While preventin…

Can you provide some peer reviewed sources for your claims? Your whole comment reads like that thoroughly debunked "scientists blow the lid off of sunscreen" [1] article that was going around a few years back. [1] https://millerfamilydermatology.com/sunscreen-myth/

Here's a good recent overview of reasons to doubt the efficacy of sunscreen against fatal skin cancers:

https://www.outsideonline.com/2380751/sunscreen-sun-exposure...

(Most recently discussed on HN at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23086211)

Similar doubts have existed for decades – here's a 1993 variant reporting some of the trends that already didn't add up, back then: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/1993/05/melanoma-sunscr...

Another branch reply provides more sources about sunscreen chemicals & sun-longevity correlations: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27520144

Re: Time to sunburn

#100

I think you're API key might be out of requests. I'm getting this error, no matter what location I put in, even though the Location block correctly returns the coordinates for whatever city I put in. Exception Traceback (most recent call last) in 7 location_response = requests.get(f'https://api.opencagedata.com/geocode/v1/json?key={OPENCAGEDATA_API_KEY}&q={Location}&no_annotations=1&limit=1') 8 if not location_respon…

OpenCage here. We set a higher number of requests for the user now, seems to work again.
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