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The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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I’m 36 right now and have always made sure to have a desktop computer with accounts for each family member and it’s used all the time. I agree it’s a feature that’s disappearing, but if anything it’s because people are getting more personal computers, like a laptop or modern smart phone, than ever before.

Smartphones are not personal computers. They should be but they definitely are not.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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My 15-year old daughter just recently got her first desktop. Why? Well, because instead of just consuming (which she does on her phone) or doing homework (chromebook), she wanted to do video editing, and also drawing using a Wacom tablet. She found that the non-desktop options were just not that great. Had it been a passing fancy, no doubt she would have done without the desktop, but it wasn't, so she got a tricked o…

A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing. I haven't hooked it up to a keyboard/mouse combo, or plugged it into a monitor, but it's quite capable of both of those things. I can tell you it's simply superior to a Wacom tablet for drawing, there I have a direct comparison. A PC/desktop will certainly exceed an iPad at some level: but now that the Pro model has an M1, it's unclear at what l…

An iPad Pro is great, but not superior to the Cintiq Pros imo. Especially the 24 inch and above. Once you’ve had the extra space you wouldn’t be willing to give it up for a 13 inch screen. I keep hoping for an iMac that you can use the Apple Pencil on for that reason ;P

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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All of those musician's workstations have the actual computer hidden somewhere out of sight. There's a monitor or two, a computer keyboard lying around(all wireless, it looks like?), but all those desks are dominated by musical keyboards, mixer boards, and speakers. Sometimes there's a laptop sitting on it. All the cables are hidden, out of the way. Take away the monitors and the computer keyboard, substitute a coupl…

I'm a gamer and my rig is a mini itx tucked away. I like it quiet and performant. Yes the market slaps RGB lighting on anything and everything gamer but it's up to gamers to buy them.

I am interested in something like this out of the loop with pc building. Do you have any more info about your rig online?

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing. I haven't hooked it up to a keyboard/mouse combo, or plugged it into a monitor, but it's quite capable of both of those things. I can tell you it's simply superior to a Wacom tablet for drawing, there I have a direct comparison. A PC/desktop will certainly exceed an iPad at some level: but now that the Pro model has an M1, it's unclear at what l…

This is honestly an absurd proposition. A 13 inch screen Ipad pro with a keyboard and 2TB of memory is $2500. Video editing is something you want power, and a lot of screen real estate, and a good form factor. Even with the GPU shortage, you can buy an extremely powerful, capable, video editing desktop with two large 27" monitors for $1k. Even before you consider limitations in sandboxing, multi-application usage, an…

> A 13 inch screen Ipad pro with a keyboard and 2TB of memory is $2500.

The 2TB memory is accounting for like half the cost there. You can get a model with less built-in memory and just use an external drive and the price drops down to like $1400.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing. I haven't hooked it up to a keyboard/mouse combo, or plugged it into a monitor, but it's quite capable of both of those things. I can tell you it's simply superior to a Wacom tablet for drawing, there I have a direct comparison. A PC/desktop will certainly exceed an iPad at some level: but now that the Pro model has an M1, it's unclear at what l…

> A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing Doesn't the sandboxing and limited access to the file system get in the way? Can you export video to non-Apple formats, collaborate with other people via a version control system, easily import footage from non-Apple devices, and so on? Can you even cleanly separate your video editing project from your personal holiday photos/videos? (Does iPad…

Have you ever used an iPad? I get the feeling you don't really know how it actually works.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing. I haven't hooked it up to a keyboard/mouse combo, or plugged it into a monitor, but it's quite capable of both of those things. I can tell you it's simply superior to a Wacom tablet for drawing, there I have a direct comparison. A PC/desktop will certainly exceed an iPad at some level: but now that the Pro model has an M1, it's unclear at what l…

This is honestly an absurd proposition. A 13 inch screen Ipad pro with a keyboard and 2TB of memory is $2500. Video editing is something you want power, and a lot of screen real estate, and a good form factor. Even with the GPU shortage, you can buy an extremely powerful, capable, video editing desktop with two large 27" monitors for $1k. Even before you consider limitations in sandboxing, multi-application usage, an…

It depends on what you're doing and what your budget is. Shoot & edit on one device, plus an excellent drawing experience, is pretty compelling when you're talking about a device for a kid to learn on, and the main things it'll be used for are video & drawing. You don't need 2TB of built-in storage for that, either.

Only way I can see that not being the option to beat, is if your goal is to learn the UI (not the concepts or techniques) for pro-tier desktop editing software. Then, yes, of course you have to have a desktop. I think "non-starter" is overstating the case against the iPad, for the particular tasks and user-profile stated.

> video editing desktop with two large 27" monitors for $1k

I need to know where you're buying monitors.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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My 15-year old daughter just recently got her first desktop. Why? Well, because instead of just consuming (which she does on her phone) or doing homework (chromebook), she wanted to do video editing, and also drawing using a Wacom tablet. She found that the non-desktop options were just not that great. Had it been a passing fancy, no doubt she would have done without the desktop, but it wasn't, so she got a tricked o…

A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing. I haven't hooked it up to a keyboard/mouse combo, or plugged it into a monitor, but it's quite capable of both of those things. I can tell you it's simply superior to a Wacom tablet for drawing, there I have a direct comparison. A PC/desktop will certainly exceed an iPad at some level: but now that the Pro model has an M1, it's unclear at what l…

As someone with formal training and experience in video production with Final Cut Pro and Premiere...I find editing on iPad to be an utterly infuriating experience.

I gave it a sincere try, but the UX is so utterly subpar that it's simply not worth the time or effort anymore. The file management on iOS is atrocious: support by various editing apps is questionable at best, and even if it wasn't, it's incredibly slow. Waiting while importing high-res videos off SD media to the file system, then turning around to wait an equally long time for the media to get imported into your editor is extremely irritating. There's also not a lot of serious competition in terms of quality editing apps. It seems like everything other than Luma Fusion is gimped to the point of near-uselessness for anything but the most basic of cut-and-crop type workflows.

iPad did have a slight edge in terms of render performance and efficiency versus ultraportable notebooks like the MacBook Air for a brief period between the A12x-based Pro release in 2018 and the release of the M1 MacBook Air in 2020, but now that the M1 Air is on the table, it's well worth the few extra ounces to go with a M1 MBA for mobile video editing.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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I've just bought my first desktop in about 20 years. The main reason, the bloody clutter.

I have two (work issued) laptops, one that runs Windows and one for NixOS, both with SSDs that are too small for me to dual boot effectively. Then there are my two external monitors, my mechanical keyboard and mouse. I need a keyboard and mouse switch as there are an inadequate number of USB ports on the laptops and I want to share peripherals, USB-C hubs on the laptops to get video out to more than one monitor and also provide power simultaneously and read/write SD cards.

My desk is an absolute cluttered mess.

Minimalist laptops/tablets just end up producing more clutter for me, are hard if not impossible to upgrade, and tend to suffer from planned obsolescence. Now I don't need to travel to work every day, I'm happy to have a desktop at home and then use a co-working space with a Raspberry Pi when I do need to go into the office.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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My 15-year old daughter just recently got her first desktop. Why? Well, because instead of just consuming (which she does on her phone) or doing homework (chromebook), she wanted to do video editing, and also drawing using a Wacom tablet. She found that the non-desktop options were just not that great. Had it been a passing fancy, no doubt she would have done without the desktop, but it wasn't, so she got a tricked o…

> tricked out desktop (intended for gamers, I think)

Generally this is just a marketing/SEO thing. A huge percentage of desktop hardware and accessories get the word "Gaming" slapped on the front even though they have nothing to do with gaming. Keyboards, mice, mousepads, headsets, speakers, monitors, cables, etc.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iMacs are usually laptops in all but name. To hit the same thinness with a giant heat-producing screen, most of the parts are their mobile equivalents. Edit: on slightly closer inspection, this isn't true for the 27" models!

The 27" models have traditionally used off the shelf socketed CPUs though, which is unusual in AIOs. Regular 27" models use desktop i9s and the Pro uses a desktop Xeon. Both can technically have their CPUs upgraded even if opening them is a pain.

Ah, cool. I was too focused on the GPUs! edit: which... actually appear to be the desktop-named parts! I swear this wasn't always the case...
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