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Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis

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Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis

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I was a member for 10 years and stopped renewing a year or two ago, when it seemed to stop putting free speech and expression first.

https://www.thefire.org/ has picked up the mantle on executing on the vision of what ACLU used to be.

ACLU is lost, I stopped donating a while ago as well, and it won't return until they oust those that work against the liberal ideal.

Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis

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Or Anti-Defamation League.

Citation / explanation needed. ADL's stated mission is "To stop the defamation of the Jewish people, and to secure justice and fair treatment to all..." It seems like the ADL has legitimate work it can be doing, unless you think Jews and all people are treated fairly. I don't think you're saying that, and I do think you're saying it's not doing the work that it could be doing. Could you say more about that? "Of the 1…

ADL has engaged in lobbying for policies that unconstitutionally conflict with the first ammendment.

Whatever their legitimate grievances, that's not an acceptable response.

Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis

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Yet here you are. Using your free speech to spread your anti-white message. Your voice is very repressed indeed. Shame you can't just say what you really want.

Well, now it's flagged so much that it actually is removed. I can only read "[flagged]". I really dislike this particular HN design decision. Reddit handles this case much better.

You can show dead or flagged posts by turning on showdead in settings.

Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis

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Yet here you are. Using your free speech to spread your anti-white message. Your voice is very repressed indeed. Shame you can't just say what you really want.

Well, now it's flagged so much that it actually is removed. I can only read "[flagged]". I really dislike this particular HN design decision. Reddit handles this case much better.

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Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis

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Well, now it's flagged so much that it actually is removed. I can only read "[flagged]". I really dislike this particular HN design decision. Reddit handles this case much better.

You can show dead or flagged posts by turning on showdead in settings.

Wow. It actually works, too.

Makes me think of the "Beware of the Leopard" Douglas Adams quote: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/40705-but-the-plans-were-on...

Still, it's removed for the vast majority of readers, by design. That's how defaults work, particularly when the settings page is so vague.

Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis

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Despite the sad loss of the ACLU as an institution that cares about civil liberties, we can remain hopeful due to other organizations like FIRE. https://www.thefire.org

FIRE is a joke if you care about bipartisanship. I know a lot of faculty who have been attacked or even fired for "left wing" research and FIRE hasn't spread a peep. Heck, I know people who've been put on blast by Hannity and received death threats from strangers and had their students call them slurs in legally protected channels just because the kids know they can. Silence from FIRE.

Can you please provide examples where you think fire should have stepped in?

Universities are hardly right-wing institutions that fire academics for left-wing research, quite to the contrary "academics" too often engage in indoctrination instead of teaching students to engage a subject to mastery. We are at such a bad point that even harvard is so stooped in dialectic that it argue 2+2 is not always 4, something an elementary kid knows is bullshit.

Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis

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Yet here you are. Using your free speech to spread your anti-white message. Your voice is very repressed indeed. Shame you can't just say what you really want.

Well, now it's flagged so much that it actually is removed. I can only read "[flagged]". I really dislike this particular HN design decision. Reddit handles this case much better.

Downvoting is a form of free speech too. You have the freedom to say what you like, but there’s no obligation on anyone else to listen to it or like it, or publish and distribute it.

Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet here you are. Using your free speech to spread your anti-white message. Your voice is very repressed indeed. Shame you can't just say what you really want.

Well, now it's flagged so much that it actually is removed. I can only read "[flagged]". I really dislike this particular HN design decision. Reddit handles this case much better.

You can enable showdead in your settings, and even low contrast messages can be spoken aloud by your friendly neighborhood TTS or pasted somewhere friendly for your reading displeasure.

Not to say that ample downvotes don’t show some particular biases of the HN crowd, but it’s not like those comments disappear and you can make your own mind if they are low quality drivel or inconvenient dissent.

Re: Once a bastion of free speech, the ACLU faces an identity crisis

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I was a member for 10 years and stopped renewing a year or two ago, when it seemed to stop putting free speech and expression first.

Same. I was turned off by the “my way or the highway” mentality on trans issues shown in their Twitter. Failure to defend 2A rights, now that NRA is clearly not principled in any way (maybe it never was), also bothered me. It is hard to imagine them defending an anti-trans person in 2021. As despicable as those people are, they still have civil rights. As a gay man, I would have been despicable for most of the past 1…

I looked at their twitter, looks pretty good to me. What exactly are you talking about?
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