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California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

#91

Doesn't california have a massive drug problem and literal armies of drug addicts shitting in the streets and harassing families and tax-payers? How will this help?

> Doesn't california have a massive drug problem Good evidence, in Portugal and Oregon, that legalisation eases drug problems. The homeless problem is a result of Californian voters’ housing policy and policing preferences.

Oregon also has a big homeless problem.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to explain what you're trying to get at in greater detail?

Sure, see my post above. What I'm getting at is that degeneracy leads to many things one of which is drug use, thus reflecting a deeper problem that legalization/decriminalization will not address but only obfuscate.

>... a deeper problem that legalization/decriminalization will not address but only obfuscate.

Not really. The idea is to stop arresting people for it and shift the focus to treating addiction/drug abuse which, to your point, starts addressing some of that "degeneracy", which is a terrible word to describe root causes for drug abuse. You don't get people to be open to treating their abuse issues by calling them "degenerates".

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

#93

Doesn't california have a massive drug problem and literal armies of drug addicts shitting in the streets and harassing families and tax-payers? How will this help?

1. You seem to be confused about the significant amounts of homeless people[0] having been dumped into the state by various others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeless_dumping 2. Most people with addiction issues (whether cause or consequence of issues) are not users of psychedelics. 3. How about you explain how criminalizing drugs helps the situation? Because that's the regime under which you got the current situ…

I would go further and say that none of the addiction is related to psychedelics - AFAIK you can't get addicted to then.

As with alcohol etc you can do stupid and dangerous things while on then, and you can have a very unpleasant experience but they are otherwise harmless.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

#94

Doesn't california have a massive drug problem and literal armies of drug addicts shitting in the streets and harassing families and tax-payers? How will this help?

No not really. This sounds a lot like a Fox News sound bite to rile people up who don't live in CA to get out and vote republican.

Besides, decriminalization has been proven everywhere it has been implemented to decrease addiction and crime rates while helping to prevent the total dehumanization of members of society who happen to be addicts.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

#95
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Don't worry, the system is so screwed up that they will continue to ruin people's lives over other infractions instead of producing true justice.

The problem is peoples’ notions of justice are capricious and savage. The draconian laws over psychedelics represents yesteryear’s popular conception of “true justice.”

The legal system will always trail behind the reality on the societal ground out there - that's almost by definition, and you actually kinda want them to be quite cautious and thorough before they make decisions.

But you also need to watch for outliers - laws that are WAY past their prime, and should have been put to pasture long ago.

Basically, the legal system needs a garbage collection mechanism.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

#96
Great, the hacker news psychedelic circlejerk is back in force. Dang, can we please ban these articles? There's zero point in even discussing them, because the mentality is completely one sided. There's no "curiosity" in drug legalization here, because its obvious everyone thinks its a 100% good unless its a low status drug like alcohol or meth.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

#97

As someone whose life was very much thrown into turmoil and difficulty for getting caught with a relatively small amount of mushrooms in Texas, to the point that it will soon be a decade and I have not really completely recovered financially or emotionally, and also still blocked from a lot of jobs, news like this is so good but hard to hear on a personal level.

I think about this a lot when I see cannabis dispensaries popping up all over the place in my hometown while I've also seen an acquaintance's life completely ruined (hard prison time and property seizure) due to growing a small number of plants on his property. There's a pretty extreme impedance mismatch regarding how these issues are handled, and it's anything but just.

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to explain what you're trying to get at in greater detail?

Sure, see my post above. What I'm getting at is that degeneracy leads to many things one of which is drug use, thus reflecting a deeper problem that legalization/decriminalization will not address but only obfuscate.

So criminalizing and imprisoning a person for drug addiction increases their chances of being re-integrated into society in a productive fashion? I thought a criminal record made it more difficult to land a job? Can you elaborate?

Re: California Bill to Decriminalize Psychedelics Is Approved by Senate

#100

Doesn't california have a massive drug problem and literal armies of drug addicts shitting in the streets and harassing families and tax-payers? How will this help?

> literal armies of drug addicts

Literal armies of drug addicts? “Quick, deploy the Third Meth-anized Division!”

California has a homelessness problem (largely a side effect of economic success without sufficient redistribution driving housing costs out of reach of the poor, like most states with above average homelessness — Vermont is the most noteworthy exception, with above-median homelessness without elevated housing prices.)

> How will this help?

Decriminalization reduces cost directed (usually, ineffectively) at suppression, and straight-up legalizes (and thus brings into the formal, taxed, economy) various ancillary trade like paraphernalia, increasing resources to deal with associated social problems by means other than criminal suppression, which hasn't proven effective.

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