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Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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I'm pretty skeptical that Apple has a decade-long lead on any of the other big players in the market. Any innovations that one company can make can be more quickly adopted than new innovations occur and there's nothing as far as software goes that Apple is uniquely positioned to create. The other factors mentioned such as silicon tech being years ahead of the competition is one that is hardly a factor for the smart w…

I've got a Samsung watch and the the heart rate monitor has serious reliability issues. Apples is not only suppose the be better but you got blood pressure and o2 monitoring. I'm definitely going to switch over in the future

There have been some wearables coming on the market claiming to measure blood pressure. Family member got one. Unfortunately it turns out to be so inaccurate that it created more stress for them out of frequently seeing alarming numbers.

I wonder if blood pressure readout is one of those things like Theranos' assays from one drop of blood - not possible due to physics. It certainly is less obviously so.

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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> I put my watch on the charger whenever I go to sleep. One of the things that always confused me about the Apple Watch (and other smartwatches) is that they market them as sleep tracking devices, but if you do use it for that purpose then I'm not sure when you're supposed to charge it. I guess you could charge it during a morning (or evening) shower but is ~30 minutes a day of charging enough?

> I guess you could charge it during a morning (or evening) shower but is ~30 minutes a day of charging enough? As someone who does this, yes. (It's more like twice a day, roughly ~30 minutes each.) If it helps, I also usually turn on cinema mode on my Series 5 before I go to sleep.

You can set up sleep timings in the watch app on iPhone and the watch will automatically enter sleep mode in that range. It’ll mute notifications etc. as well, and give you a sweet notification on your iPhone when it’s done charging.

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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I had several pebbles (2 b/w and the colored one) and now have an apple watch. You don’t know what you’re talking about, the tech in the apple watch is years ahead. There’s much to criticize about the apple watch but it does the important things just so much better than the competition. I also never understood the focus on battery life. I put my watch on the charger whenever I go to sleep. If I forget it either still…

What is years ahead? It has a better SoC than competing watches for sure but what's the point? I wouldn't be surprised if the first Apple Watch has a faster SoC than my Fenix 5 Plus but other than the time it takes for it to make up a random running route I don't really care because the device feels snappy. My Pebble felt snappy too. I think other than EKG (don't care about that) my Fenix has all the same sensors, GP…

A better SoC usually means better power efficiency, where the speed means it can get through tasks faster under the same wattage, so it helps battery life.

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I've got a Samsung watch and the the heart rate monitor has serious reliability issues. Apples is not only suppose the be better but you got blood pressure and o2 monitoring. I'm definitely going to switch over in the future

Most of the Apple Watch health features are blocked in Australia because they were literally too lazy to submit the paperwork to the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA)! All a competitor has to do is submit their paperwork and they won't get any competition from Apple. Easy!

> Most of the Apple Watch health features are blocked in Australia because they were literally too lazy to submit the paperwork to the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA)!

Why duplicate all the work done by the FDA? Just use their certificate. Save the taxpayer some money.

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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I'm pretty skeptical that Apple has a decade-long lead on any of the other big players in the market. Any innovations that one company can make can be more quickly adopted than new innovations occur and there's nothing as far as software goes that Apple is uniquely positioned to create. The other factors mentioned such as silicon tech being years ahead of the competition is one that is hardly a factor for the smart w…

The whole article is viewing things through some heavily tinted glasses.

1. Apple was early - Nope, Apple came late to the party, years after first movers were there.

2. Voice computing distraction - Again, nope. Amazon Echo devices and Google Home devices are HUGE. Headphones and earbugs come with Alexa and google Assistant integration. Apple tries with Siri but it's consistently far behind Amazon and Google there.

3. Wearables require design expertise. It’s not enough to just throw together some leftover smartphone components and ship wearables. -- Yet, that's what Apple did with the first gen of Apple watch. Gen 1 was also dead in three years. Gen 1 was a pilot project.

4. Ecosystem and technology advantage. - These are Apple advantages, but not ten year leads.

5. No price and feature umbrellas under Apple. - Well, there are a lot of people still wondering what utility they have aside from a few "health" measures. I personally don't care about my heartrate all day, nor my steps, or a bad idea of calories burned. I don't need to monitor my O2 levels, nor get instant EKGs. I personally stuggle to see the point of smart watches. Notifications? I can see them on the phone screen, it's just as easy for me to look at it. Music controls? If I'm in the car the controls are on my steering wheel. At home I just say "Alexa, stop" or whatever. When I have headphones/earbugs in? I can tap the button on my headphones just as easily as I can tap my watch. What else would I use it for?

There certain is a price umbrella, too, because you have to have an iPhone and be bought into that ecosystem.

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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Apple needs a little competition. I expected the Watch to advance much quicker. 6 years ago I wrote this blog saying everyone would be wearing a smart watch within a decade. My reasons were “health and safety“ https://h4labs.wordpress.com/2015/07/28/in-the-future-everyo... “ There has been much discussion on the need for smart watches like the Apple Watch. People have a hard time believing that a large market exists.…

Looks like you were wrong.

Yes, smart watches haven’t advanced as much as I thought they would.

Apple needs competition. They wouldn’t make large screen iPhones until Android started winning, for example.

Hopefully we get there. There’s a lot of promise in wearables:

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2020/12/smartwatch-ca...

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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I think people underestimate how big of a factor weight is going to be when it comes to face wearables. Apple’s lead in terms of performance/watt is so massive at this point, they’re going to have a few years where no other AR solution can even compete.

They can't even make a pair of headphones under 300 grams.

260g https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MXJA2ZM/A/beats-studio...

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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They can't even make a pair of headphones under 300 grams.

260g https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/product/MXJA2ZM/A/beats-studio...

Fair enough but they would have to change out the Apple design language. I find it odd that we seem to assume Apple would do this for a headset and not headphones though.

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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I'm pretty skeptical that Apple has a decade-long lead on any of the other big players in the market. Any innovations that one company can make can be more quickly adopted than new innovations occur and there's nothing as far as software goes that Apple is uniquely positioned to create. The other factors mentioned such as silicon tech being years ahead of the competition is one that is hardly a factor for the smart w…

I had an Android smartwatch years before Apple even came out with one. Typical Apple reality distortion field in effect.

Re: Apple has a decade-long lead in wearables

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post #17

I'm pretty skeptical that Apple has a decade-long lead on any of the other big players in the market. Any innovations that one company can make can be more quickly adopted than new innovations occur and there's nothing as far as software goes that Apple is uniquely positioned to create. The other factors mentioned such as silicon tech being years ahead of the competition is one that is hardly a factor for the smart w…

I'm have to sort of disagree, not a decade but easily half a decade lead. Source: I worked in this space years ago with what was, at the time, the leader in the space, and remember how many of my coworkers laughed at the Apple Watch unveil. Now Apple is the one laughing with a girthy, multibillion dollar schadenfreude.

Apple has leads in silicon and cross-platform integration which is inarguably led to a better user experience, extended battery life, and smaller form factor. Try piecing together an Airpods Pro grade product with 'off-the-shelf' parts and half the firmware engineers.

Apple has orders of magnitude greater scale through their supply chain, and a real clincher: technological mastery of material science; from CNC milled aluminum to tooling for high grade plastic resin, and can shoulder out competitors from even touching the raw material once they've even realized they need it.

Apple has solid brand cachet, which drives loyalty which drives revenue.

Apple has (last I checked) the highest revenue/sq. foot retail space in the world. Yes, the rest of retail is dying, but Apple controls the image, experience, support, and purchasing of all it's own products. Check out an Apple store on a Friday night in the Bay Area, it's incredible how packed they are.

Arguably the most difficult thing for competitors to copy is the culture of industrial design and UX prioritization backed by engineering. Every other major competitor in their spaces shamelessly copies the externals without the same cohesion and mastery of internals -- it's embarrassing frankly (checkout the Oppo 'Enco X' earbud site, it's a poorly made rip off of the Airpods site).

I don't own any Apple products, and I don't endorse their labor practices, but I respect their brand, products, and patience in releasing GOOD things at the right time. Consumers do too, judging by revenue.

Apple's weakness is now their precarious position in bed with China, which will take decades to undo.

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