Who wants a Cybertruck anyway :) I am all for F-150
yeah, the cybertruck is looking dead on arrival now.
2022 Ford F-150 Lightning
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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not half and half, it's touchscreen with a physical volume knob which in my opinion is the right way . Having touch controls for volume is a horrible idea (my car has touch control for everything and I despise trying to get the volume adjusted quickly). https://i.imgur.com/Lw4GgNW.jpeg
If a touchscreen is bad for volume, it is probably bad for most other up and down adjustments too (e.g. temp). I'd argue touch screens are bad for everything when you are driving, because you can't feel your way around.
I hate touchscreens in cars. Avoiding them is a big part of why my current ride is from 2011.
Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning
#93I can park my car in the F150 frunk :-)
Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning
#94I guess the fact that's it's electric is a good step. But it seems insane to me that we don't do more to discourage massive consumption of what should be utility vehicles. I'm willing to be 80% of people buying an f150 or similar never have been and never will be building contractors or lumberjacks.
Unfortunately compact pickups aren’t really a thing any more. As a homeowner and a parent this would be a great vehicle for me — having the utility of a truck bed. Not everyone that owns a home does work on it themselves but trucks are very useful. Today my only options are rent a truck or put a trailer hitch on my van and pull a trailer when I need to haul stuff. That’s so much more hassle.
I do quite a bit of DIY and I have a skoda octavia combi (which would be considered small in the US). honestly the only thing i have difficulty with is drywall panels, i have to tie them to the roof bars.
obviously a truck would be much easier, but if I'm redoing a house I'll need to rent a light dump truck anyway for at least 1-2 days just to get all the old junk out, so I do the big material buy at the same time
Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not half and half, it's touchscreen with a physical volume knob which in my opinion is the right way . Having touch controls for volume is a horrible idea (my car has touch control for everything and I despise trying to get the volume adjusted quickly). https://i.imgur.com/Lw4GgNW.jpeg
If a touchscreen is bad for volume, it is probably bad for most other up and down adjustments too (e.g. temp). I'd argue touch screens are bad for everything when you are driving, because you can't feel your way around.
I don't disagree, I just tend not to adjust those as frequently. I think Ram has a nice balance between physical and touch:
https://i.imgur.com/anDbKgG.jpg
In general I prefer knob controls for things like temperature and volume, but the physical up/down is ok
Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning
#96Folks I know that have owned Ford vehicles in the past few years have done nothing but complain about issues with electrical subsystem and accessory breakdown. I'd be very wary of buying a Ford period, much less one that relies entirely on electricity to move. Not FUD, as I have no dog in the fight and personally don't care if anyone else buys one, but its a make of automobile I avoid.
American vehicles had a history of poor quality control and reliability but it's improved in the last 20 years. F150 is the #1 selling truck in USA in Canada. Our 2011 F150 has been very reliable, mechanically, but the audio wiring is broken in interesting ways. My buddy's older F150 has exactly the same issue. Otherwise it's been trouble free.
For any vehicle I generally ask myself two questions.
#1 - How long has this engine design been used?
#2 - How long has this transmission design been used?
Accessory / electrical problems are annoying, but fixable. Powertrain problems are... the vehicle itself.
Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning
#97It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.
Electric vehicles often have much better safety credentials than their ICE powered counterparts for a few reasons:
* All of the weight is in the bottom of the vehicle, giving a lower centre of gravity. I'd bet this will kill the old F150 in a moose (or child!) test.
* The lack of engine means the entire front part of the car is a huge crumple zone. This gives designers more wriggle room for pedestrian protection too. This is an increasingly important requirement in road safety standards.
* The electric motors are able to respond with torque far faster (in ms) than an ICE engine, so traction and stability control are more effective. Again good for things like the moose test.
* Switching our road transport to electric will probably save more children, and the adults they will become, from a lifetime of lung problems and premature death from pollution than better pedestrian safety features ever will.
Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning
#98It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.
So they should not sell any? What's your point?
Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've never been one of those things, but they're still useful. I had an F150 for a while that I only used to transport things like mulch or helping friends move or moving myself. I still have an old Ranger that I use for those purposes today. It seems insane to assume you can be the judge of what's "useful" or "utility".
A truck is great to have for all kinds of reasons. I think the issue is that a combination of automaker marketing and various regulatory and tax incentves/loopholes drive people to purchase more trucks than they otherwise would.
Specifically, the Section 179 deductions available on vehicles that weight in excess of 6000lbs. A business doesn't need to prove need to make use of the tax advantage. This encourages real estate agents, sales people, etc to buy new large SUVs instead of leasing or buying second hand sedans that would otherwise be suitable (Mercedes E-Class, etc). And contractors that could use smaller vehicles (Transit Connect, Ranger) to buy F-150s or large vans.
It's basically a massive kick-back to Ford and Chevy.
Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning
#100300 miles of range unladen seems very low to me. When towing, this range will likely be cut by more than half. The truck is priced competitively, so it will make sense for "Regular daily driver, and occasionally I need to put something in the bed" truck owners, but definitely not "Tow my trailer to the mountains once a month" truck owners.
I think you're exactly right about the classification. Most people I know who have a full trailer to bring to the mountains have larger than an F-150.