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A brief history of people losing their minds in Antarctica

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Re: A brief history of people losing their minds in Antarctica

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It doesn't have to be Antartica, although that's a bit of an extreme example. Plenty of people I know have "lost it", albeit to a less extreme degree, after just a few years of culture shock, after moving to a different country.

Life is hard, and few people have what it takes to survive without the social safety net of everything that is familiar to them.

Re: A brief history of people losing their minds in Antarctica

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First >A current theory among social scientists suggests that pibloktoq [a temporary madness found in Inuhuit peoples] was not a congenital malady peculiar to the Inuhuit but rather a severe stress reaction arising from early contact with Western outsiders. Could someone explain this theory to me? secondly, I sincerely doubt that the early expeditions had anything remotely resembling adequate nutrition, besides enoug…

In fact, scurvy was a major problem for early expeditions, as they didn't understand it's vitamin C deficiency.

https://idlewords.com/2010/03/scott_and_scurvy.htm

Re: A brief history of people losing their minds in Antarctica

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This is mostly wishful thinking. Advantages tend to accumulate in life. Those who had the easiest time growing up are often the most stable ones emotionally. Life doesn’t care about fairness, just like being and tall and attractive is correlated with intelligence, even though we might not prefer it this way. I’m sure you’ve also seen they type: brillant PhD, liked by everyone, natural leader, accomplished on multiple…

>Advantages tend to accumulate in life. Those who had the easiest time growing up are often the most stable ones emotionally. Life doesn’t care about fairness, just like being and tall and attractive is correlated with intelligence, even though we might not prefer it this way. Many people who have had too easy of an upbringing may seem emotionally stable while inside the safety of their cushy comfort zone, but when t…

That assumption is as old as time. Whether true of false Bret Devereaux did an analysis on it and it made for an interesting read: https://acoup.blog/2020/01/17/collections-the-fremen-mirage-...

As far as we can tell, historically your assumption is wrong. Hard times do not really breed hard people it's a myth that comes from the antiquity and was used by philosophers and elites to link the moral corruption of a people with its inevitable downfall.

Re: A brief history of people losing their minds in Antarctica

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Mars has significantly less sunlight (in terms of irradiance) than Earth

True, but a day on Mars is pretty much the same length as on Earth, which is great for the human cycle. Googling says that lux 100k on Earth would be roughly 44k on Mars, so a lot dimmer, but still better than months of darkness on end. Now the real question is whether colonists can/will live on the surface? But then a secondary addition, due to modern technology we now have much better lighting that can approximate…

Colonists would still have to deal with months of almost darkness during dust storms.

Re: A brief history of people losing their minds in Antarctica

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post #93

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>Advantages tend to accumulate in life. Those who had the easiest time growing up are often the most stable ones emotionally. Life doesn’t care about fairness, just like being and tall and attractive is correlated with intelligence, even though we might not prefer it this way. Many people who have had too easy of an upbringing may seem emotionally stable while inside the safety of their cushy comfort zone, but when t…

That assumption is as old as time. Whether true of false Bret Devereaux did an analysis on it and it made for an interesting read: https://acoup.blog/2020/01/17/collections-the-fremen-mirage-... As far as we can tell, historically your assumption is wrong. Hard times do not really breed hard people it's a myth that comes from the antiquity and was used by philosophers and elites to link the moral corruption of a peop…

The gaining of strength through adversity and its inverse of atrophy can be found in countless places throughout nature, biology, and human history. There's nothing mythical about that.

Take a cat that has lived an easy life indoors its whole life and put it outside.

How long do you think that cat will survive outdoors compared to a cat who has lived outside its whole life?

Re: A brief history of people losing their minds in Antarctica

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You can sustain a lot, when you know you will have respite. I've got a weekend off in April, I can make it until then! As folks remark something like a Mars mission may be a life sentence. It will be a different ballgame. It almost seems inevitable that folks will break. A common occurrence on the early pioneer prairies in America was mental health problems. My Dad was 3rd generation in Iowa, and he knew several olde…

Basically every person they send to Mars needs to be mildly autistic. Highly regimented, low social needs, etc.

Re: A brief history of people losing their minds in Antarctica

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That assumption is as old as time. Whether true of false Bret Devereaux did an analysis on it and it made for an interesting read: https://acoup.blog/2020/01/17/collections-the-fremen-mirage-... As far as we can tell, historically your assumption is wrong. Hard times do not really breed hard people it's a myth that comes from the antiquity and was used by philosophers and elites to link the moral corruption of a peop…

The gaining of strength through adversity and its inverse of atrophy can be found in countless places throughout nature, biology, and human history. There's nothing mythical about that. Take a cat that has lived an easy life indoors its whole life and put it outside. How long do you think that cat will survive outdoors compared to a cat who has lived outside its whole life?

You are moving the goalpost. The whole comment thread is about how humans that had a harder upbringing could be more resilient to mental breakdown for long-term interplanetary colonization. A cat would not be a relevant organism to study to answer this question.

Re: A brief history of people losing their minds in Antarctica

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You can sustain a lot, when you know you will have respite. I've got a weekend off in April, I can make it until then! As folks remark something like a Mars mission may be a life sentence. It will be a different ballgame. It almost seems inevitable that folks will break. A common occurrence on the early pioneer prairies in America was mental health problems. My Dad was 3rd generation in Iowa, and he knew several olde…

Basically every person they send to Mars needs to be mildly autistic. Highly regimented, low social needs, etc.

I suspect one would need bigger problems than autism to willingly give up, forever, the opportunity to experience life's most basic pleasures: walking, wind, water, grass, trees, flowers, sunlight, food, and other people.
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