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Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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Sounds like an opportunity for a search proxy service.

Which begets an arms race of proxies, and fake proxies sponsored by Google, fuzz proxies blowing up the signal-to-noise ratio for your account, TOR proxies for the "double-hush-hush" searches. . .

Who knew that the act of finding stuff would be such a voyeuristic delight?

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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It's a consequence of the algorithm optimizing for engagement. YT obviously wants people to stay for as long as possible, to interact, write comments, upvote/downvote and follow the chain of recommended videos. The longer they stay on YT and the more content the consume, the more ads YT can show and the more money they make. Anti-woke/alt-right type content is provocative, controversial and makes people engage with.…

> And the people who are into it are generally really into it, so they'll keep watching hour after hour of it. Maybe that's the effect and not the cause.

I see it as a self-sustaining loop at this point. At some point the flames were lit and fanned, and now they've taken on a life of their own.

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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It's so weird, across all Google's products I occasionally get these weird Arabic and sometimes even Islamic content suggestions. I've never opened any of these links, am not behind a VPN, am very much not Arabic and do not understand the language, and - with all due respect - am completely uninterested in Islamic holy scripture. Why, even after all these years, Google thinks this is content I'd want to see is a comp…

I can think of several explanations. The least likely is that for some reason your IP (or one of the IPs) is misattributed to another country by their geolocation mapping system. Another is that some of your property have been used by an Arab (you bough a second-hand device, lost a phone etc). More probably ones: one of your devices might have been infected or you might have clicked an ad that was disguised by someth…

Yes those are the only explanations I came up with as well, but none of that applies.

I have kept a log of all IPs I regularly connected from, and only a single one of those originated in another country - another European one.

Never lost a device (jinxed now) or bought or even temporarily used a second-hand one.

An ad or intrusion do seem to be the most likely culprits, but ads are blocked everywhere, and I believe my security hygiene to be pretty decent.

This has been going on for over a decade now. Due to the sporadic nature if these happenings, I'm almost starting to think there's some old (but still wrong) data stuck on some edge node somewhere - or perhaps someone at Google is actively teasing me for being so critical of the company :)

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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Even in a tweet about algorithms the guy can’t help but dunk on men to show what a nice guy he is.

I had a good laugh because that's actually a comment against the mansplaining common narrative, people will jump to explain things everytime they feel it's easy to add their contribute, being the audience a woman or a random guy on the internet or anyone they perceive weak enough to be a good target to show off their knowledge and skills

How is an example in another context a "comment against the mansplaining common narrative"? Even your explanation makes it pretty clear that a man-to-woman combination would be one of the most common versions.

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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It's annoying clicking some youtube link only to find it was something you really don't want more of, and then youtube proceed to recommend much more of it, even though you barely watched any of it. kinda forces me to watch something else that is new but at least somewhat wanted in an attempt to make the algorithm look at the new shiny i'm interested in and forget the previous one. i find it funny though when amazon…

Click the three dots and then either "Not interested" or "Don't recommend channel". Seems to work reasonably well for me.

It doesn't in my experience. I've been telling it I don't want to see: news, politics, music, or reaction videos for months. It still puts them there.

Last week it decided that I wanted to see rap videos and filled my feed with them. I don't listen to rap. I've never watched a rap video. I've told it I'm not interested in every single video, but it still puts them there.

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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Click the three dots and then either "Not interested" or "Don't recommend channel". Seems to work reasonably well for me.

It doesn't in my experience. I've been telling it I don't want to see: news, politics, music, or reaction videos for months. It still puts them there. Last week it decided that I wanted to see rap videos and filled my feed with them. I don't listen to rap. I've never watched a rap video. I've told it I'm not interested in every single video, but it still puts them there.

Not sure it'll do much about news videos - Google seems to force the same presumably hand-picked selection of news videos onto everyone's front page, generally covering the kind of political topics tech workers think everyone should hear about.

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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What if it's from a channel I like but don't want to watch that one video...will clicking on this reduce suggestions from this channel, will it do nothing, will it unsubscribe me from that channel(as has happened in the past), ...? Nobody knows, I only know I don't want to play this game.

The best way of not playing this game is to, well... not play it. Why should you pay any attention to what YouTube "suggests" you should watch? I just treat YouTube as a service that hosts videos, with a mediocre search feature, and I have no interest in what it thinks I should watch. If a real human mentions a video that piques my interest, I may watch it. If I'm interested in finding a video on a particular topic,…

This is the correct answer.

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a good laugh because that's actually a comment against the mansplaining common narrative, people will jump to explain things everytime they feel it's easy to add their contribute, being the audience a woman or a random guy on the internet or anyone they perceive weak enough to be a good target to show off their knowledge and skills

How is an example in another context a "comment against the mansplaining common narrative"? Even your explanation makes it pretty clear that a man-to-woman combination would be one of the most common versions.

He's the one who extrapolated the context, my point is that the explainer does it for reasons that have nothing to do with the gender of the receiver. And this is one example

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Click the three dots and then either "Not interested" or "Don't recommend channel". Seems to work reasonably well for me.

It doesn't in my experience. I've been telling it I don't want to see: news, politics, music, or reaction videos for months. It still puts them there. Last week it decided that I wanted to see rap videos and filled my feed with them. I don't listen to rap. I've never watched a rap video. I've told it I'm not interested in every single video, but it still puts them there.

Try going through your watch history/liked videos and deleting things if it’s really bothering you, I watched a bunch of political videos a few years ago and got burnt out so I deleted every one (took a few hours) and my recommendations instantly changed

Re: Afraid to Google a thing because I don't want the algorithm to think I like it

#100

Even in a tweet about algorithms the guy can’t help but dunk on men to show what a nice guy he is.

The comment you're referring to didn't occur in the tweet about algorithms - it was a reactive comment that occurred in response to an experience that happened after the tweet. Also, I'm not sure what "to show what a nice guy he is" means here, though I'm guessing it's just being used an insult in the same family as "white knight".

I can't know whether his comment was reasonable without looking through the comments he was referring to (and neither can you), but even given that he was being unreasonable, you chose to be unreasonable in turn.

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