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Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by asciimike » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 2:49 AM UTC

mdtusz wrote: post #33

Lucasoato wrote: post #17

The only reason I didn't try Google cloud is payment. I can't even run a couple of VM, some test db without using the credit card. This means that if someone hacks me, if the documentation isn't clear enough or if I make a mistake I will fully pay for it (and immediately). This is incredibly haunting for beginners and people that cannot afford such scenarios. With AWS at least I can use a prepaid card: if something b…

This seems like a particularly strange reason to not try their service and to me is akin to saying "I won't use CarRentalCompany because they require a credit card. What if I'm new to driving and total the car by wrapping it around a tree?" If anything, this is just AWS being overly generous and forgiving.

I'm shocked that any cloud provider lets you use prepaid cards... all of the major providers have problems with crypto mining and abuse, so it's crazy that AWS would allow prepaid cards that might be laundered, etc.

And IMO, if you're a real customer, all the providers are fairly forgiving, provided you can get in touch with a real human who works there.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by mark-r » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 2:51 AM UTC

That was worth it just for the link to the brilliant Steve Yegge.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by p1mrx » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 2:52 AM UTC

srj wrote: post #70

RKearney wrote: post #46

GCP doesn't really support IPv6 at all. Sure you can terminate IPv6 on a load balancer and then proxy the connections over IPv4 back to your instances, but you can't get native IPv6 on an instance. It's that type of shortcoming that leads me to believe Google does not see a future in this product.

The network virtualization scheme and likely many other parts of the stack need to change in order to support v6. It's not that there aren't investments in this area, it's just a non-trivial effort. Source: Worked in GCP networking.

It takes longer to climb a hill if you start by digging a hole.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by themolecularman » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 2:53 AM UTC

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #59

DistressedDrone wrote: post #54

> The clock is ticking for Google Cloud. The Google unit, which sells computing services to big companies, is under pressure from top management to pass Amazon or Microsoft-currently first and second, respectively, in cloud market share-or risk losing funding. While the company has invested heavily in the business since last year, Google wants its cloud group to outrank those of one or both of its two main rivals by…

Tactically, what would this look like? Getting large numbers of AWS or Azure customers to move over? Companies have higher priorities than changing their cloud provider, they want to focus on growing their business.

Indeed - in fact Microsoft recently tried to buy Pinterest just to get a large company that they can move from AWS to Azure:

> The deal, which would have been Microsoft’s largest acquisition to date, confirms that the tech giant is continuing to pursue an acquisition strategy aimed at amassing a portfolio of active online communities that could run on top of its Azure cloud computing platform. Pinterest - which boasts more than 320 million active users - currently relies on Amazon Web Services (AWS) as its infrastructure provider.

source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlypage/2021/02/11/microsoft-...

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by indymike » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 2:54 AM UTC

Crash0v3rid3 wrote: post #77

thayne wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak to Azure, but while AWS has a policy of never discontinuing services or features, even if they are replaced by something else, whereas GCP does discontinue entire services (although if it is generally available they have to give 12 months notice according to the terms of service).

I’m not familiar with any GCP service being discontinued. Do you have any examples?

GCP (Google Cloud Print) was discontinued in 2020.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by jeffbee » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 2:55 AM UTC

mtlynch wrote: post #83

foxylad wrote: post #41

Can HN please add a filter for these increasingly lame "Google cancels all the stuff" posts? Yes, Google has cancelled services, but they've all been free things that they had every right to decide would never increase revenue. Why should Google have to keep everything they ever built running for ever? If you pay for services from Google, then it's a completely different story. We've used Appengine for 12 years now,…

> If you pay for services from Google, then it's a completely different story. We've used Appengine for 12 years now, and every time they've decided to deprecate services, there's always plenty of notice, a superior replacement, and usually lower costs. Really? I've had the complete opposite experience on AppEngine as a paying customer. I was using Python2 AppEngine with ndb and the Users API. Cloud Datastore + ndb a…

This sounds like a mis-characterization of the situation. It is not Google who have moved from Python 2 to 3, it's you. Google still offers and supports the legacy Python 2.7 runtime for App Engine, and will continue to do so indefinitely. The same is true about ndb and Firestore. It may be that you moved from NDB to Cloud NDB (Firestore), but nobody forced you to do it.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by colinmhayes » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 2:56 AM UTC

foxylad wrote: post #41

Can HN please add a filter for these increasingly lame "Google cancels all the stuff" posts? Yes, Google has cancelled services, but they've all been free things that they had every right to decide would never increase revenue. Why should Google have to keep everything they ever built running for ever? If you pay for services from Google, then it's a completely different story. We've used Appengine for 12 years now,…

Obviously google has no obligation to do anything for free. It's still annoying when they cancel services and we like dunking on them when they do.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by asciimike » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 2:56 AM UTC

mtlynch wrote: post #83

foxylad wrote: post #41

Can HN please add a filter for these increasingly lame "Google cancels all the stuff" posts? Yes, Google has cancelled services, but they've all been free things that they had every right to decide would never increase revenue. Why should Google have to keep everything they ever built running for ever? If you pay for services from Google, then it's a completely different story. We've used Appengine for 12 years now,…

> If you pay for services from Google, then it's a completely different story. We've used Appengine for 12 years now, and every time they've decided to deprecate services, there's always plenty of notice, a superior replacement, and usually lower costs. Really? I've had the complete opposite experience on AppEngine as a paying customer. I was using Python2 AppEngine with ndb and the Users API. Cloud Datastore + ndb a…

Woof, sorry. I worked on the Users API deprecation a while ago (2018-2019, prior to any announcement), and there were a few features that just couldn't be migrated reasonably to OAuth (e.g. the `admin` functionality). We did consider things like moving to Cloud IAM (e.g. what we did for GCF and Run) as well as Firebase Auth, but couldn't replicate everything :/

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by shiftpgdn » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 2:57 AM UTC

indymike wrote: post #95

Crash0v3rid3 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not familiar with any GCP service being discontinued. Do you have any examples?

GCP (Google Cloud Print) was discontinued in 2020.

That isn't a Google Compute Platform product.

Re: Why I distrust Google Cloud more than than AWS or Azure

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Post by cbushko » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 2:58 AM UTC

marcinzm wrote: post #2

What left a bad taste in my mouth is any quota increase getting rejected unless you got on a phone call with sales and listened to an upsell speech. I'm trying to give you money and you're putting roadblocks in front of me.

I've done about 6 requests for increased over the last 2 years and all have been accepted. All I had to do was giveca valid business case like:

"We are setting up more customer environments and are running out of X"

It was usually increased within the hour.