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Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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If you have kids getting up at 6 for school and you haven't adjusted your sleep schedule to match, isn't that kind of on you now?

How does one do this? Parents get up at 6 to get their kids ready for school. Then take the kids to school, shower, have breakfast and then work until 6. Picking up the kids at some point in there. Then make dinner, family time and then kids go to bed at 8 or 9. Now you have the option of going right to sleep which is fine if you desire no personal time / partner time. But if you have your own hobbies or goals then y…

It's all about priorities, time management, efficiency, and sharing the load.

If you want to have both parents working, stay late at the office, have both parents involved with kids for every activity, and also work on side projects late at night, you're going to struggle until the kids are more self sufficient.

Even without kids, waking up at 6AM, hustling through morning routines and to the office, working to 6PM and then getting home at 6:30PM (assuming commute) leaves about 3.5 hours of free time and 8 hours for sleep. If you're trying to shoe-horn involved hobbies and side projects into those weekdays, something has to give regardless of whether or not you have kids.

The standard parent learning curve usually involves: Becoming more efficient with your routines, becoming more efficient with time management at the office, learning to say no to unnecessary requests, pushing back on jobs that demand long hours (or changing jobs to a more reasonable 8-hour workday company), becoming more efficient with meals and grocery shopping, doing more tradeoff load sharing with partner instead of both people being involved in everything, and letting kids have more independent play time as they age.

That said, you simply won't have as much alone time with kids in the equation. If you're trying to do too much, you have to sacrifice somewhere. It's better to do a few things well than to try to do everything at 75% commitment or being 75% awake.

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Unless it's an emergency, I've ALWAYS prioritized sleep. It's just too important for health regardless of these latest findings. I'd call in to work if I didn't get a full nights rest in the past, it's not worth feeling like shit for the rest of the day. The culture of glamorizing working longer and harder till early hours of the mornings on zero sleep, has always been nonsense. Musk is notorious for bragging about t…

I think Elon Musk looks his age, and looks pretty ok for a 49 year old. Granted he has money, and he's had hair transplants, but I've seen many late 40s early 50s people in much worse shape.

Elon looked 50 when he was 30. It's definitely the money.

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Many forms of dementia destroy dopaminergic neurons, and this process begins much earlier than symptoms of dementia itself manifest. From what I’ve gathered from reading studies across the years, less dopaminergic capacity seems to be associated with less restful sleep. The conclusions of this study seem to have it backwards. It’s not lack of sleep that causes dementia, it’s early dementia that causes insomnia. Edit:…

Coffee causing dementia is a pretty shocking claim that I haven't heard previously. Do you have more reading on this?

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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He's leaning hard into the stimulants...

People with amphetamine habits typically look very skinny and unhealthy because amphetamines suppress appetite. Same for cocaine, ritalin and all other dopaminergic stimulants. They can also have facial scabs because of obsessive picking/scratching, and tend to be very twitchy and hyper. He doesn't come off that way at all during interviews. My personal experience leads me to believe that there is no way Elon Musk co…

^^ Agreed.

> IMO Elon Musk just has lucky genetics and doesn't need much sleep, always has high energy.

I remember him explaining that 6 hours was just a sweet spot (not the highest energy spot), that he would have more energy with more sleep but it wouldn't be enough to compensate for the lack of hours available in a day. Or something to this effect.

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Many forms of dementia destroy dopaminergic neurons, and this process begins much earlier than symptoms of dementia itself manifest. From what I’ve gathered from reading studies across the years, less dopaminergic capacity seems to be associated with less restful sleep. The conclusions of this study seem to have it backwards. It’s not lack of sleep that causes dementia, it’s early dementia that causes insomnia. Edit:…

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20182054/#:~:text=In%20the%2....

this says coffee is associated with a reduced risk of dementia which is pretty much what I've read over and over again

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Many forms of dementia destroy dopaminergic neurons, and this process begins much earlier than symptoms of dementia itself manifest. From what I’ve gathered from reading studies across the years, less dopaminergic capacity seems to be associated with less restful sleep. The conclusions of this study seem to have it backwards. It’s not lack of sleep that causes dementia, it’s early dementia that causes insomnia. Edit:…

Just coffee or anything with caffeine?

I'm really curious for a source on this, considering how much coffee I drink weekly.

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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Unless it's an emergency, I've ALWAYS prioritized sleep. It's just too important for health regardless of these latest findings. I'd call in to work if I didn't get a full nights rest in the past, it's not worth feeling like shit for the rest of the day. The culture of glamorizing working longer and harder till early hours of the mornings on zero sleep, has always been nonsense. Musk is notorious for bragging about t…

I think Elon Musk looks his age, and looks pretty ok for a 49 year old. Granted he has money, and he's had hair transplants, but I've seen many late 40s early 50s people in much worse shape.

those are alot of caveats though. excpet for blah blah blah blahb, yeah he looks good.

Compared to his earlier pictures, it looks like he 'filled out' in terms of mody mass and skull growth. That sometimes happens when you take GH for long periods.

Re: Association of sleep duration in middle and old age with incidence of dementia

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I think Elon Musk looks his age, and looks pretty ok for a 49 year old. Granted he has money, and he's had hair transplants, but I've seen many late 40s early 50s people in much worse shape.

IME, the biggest predictor for people looking younger than their age is exercising and avoiding alcohol. I'm sure sleep is in there since people who do the other 2 normally also sleep ok.

i think genes are a bigger factor
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