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Re: Ethereum Fork Fails on OpenEthereum

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Post by swensel »

etherael wrote: post #85
rfd4sgmk8u wrote: post #79

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I beg to disagree. No oldschool bitcoiner I know (including myself) takes bcash seriously. I would request that you to name any technical public figure that supports bcash. All that is left in this community is new suckers, and antibitcoin non-technical folks. Segwit DID change in blocksize weighting, with a fee incentive model to use segwit. These false antiblockstream tropes should have died out in 2018, but bcashe…

Congratulations, you made me come out of retirement purely to disagree with you. No chain more richly deserves death than BTC and BCH is one of the best chains in existence. I'm prepared to sign this message with a Bitcoin key from 2011 if you doubt the fact I've been active that long. It's the unfortunate and poorly informed post 2017 split BTC adherents who have no idea what's going on. I watched the entire thing u…

I would like to support BCH but everyone I talk to who supports Bitcoin Cash comes across as so divisive on this matter. BTC obviously has an important place in the crypto ecosystem. To discount the price growth of BTC and its importance in the overall awareness of crypto to the public seems short sighted. Price does matter. All of these coins can exist.

Re: Ethereum Fork Fails on OpenEthereum

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Post by swensel »

uncletammy wrote: post #74
rfd4sgmk8u wrote: post #51

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Warning, bitcoin.com is non-authoritative on bitcoin. They went a little mad a few years ago with the big block agenda. They do not speak for bitcoin, and want to push their big block bcash fork. Satoshi proposed 1MB blocks in 2010 as an anti-spam mechanism. He was not against raising it, but it had to be done sensibly. RV and Bitcoin.com forced a non-sensible fork and fell off a cliff.

Roger Ver had nothing to do with the BCH fork. In fact, he was many months late in showing any public support for it. He was dead silent until it started to look like the core devs were going to reneg on their agreement to support 2mb blocks in exchange for passing Segwit. And as expected, they did reneg on that, immediately after they got what they wanted. BCH is not Roger Ver. BCH is all of the old school Bitcoiner…

I think the us vs them mentality is what is toxic, and I see that on both sides of the Bitcoin scaling discussion.

BCH may not be Roger Ver, but the main reason I don't currently hold BCH is because of Roger Ver. If he wasn't in the picture I would be much more apt to hold BCH. He comes across as very reactive. What's wrong with calling BCH bcash? Does he really need to blow up anytime someone calls it that?

Re: Ethereum Fork Fails on OpenEthereum

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Post by etherael »

swensel wrote: post #91
etherael wrote: post #85

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Congratulations, you made me come out of retirement purely to disagree with you. No chain more richly deserves death than BTC and BCH is one of the best chains in existence. I'm prepared to sign this message with a Bitcoin key from 2011 if you doubt the fact I've been active that long. It's the unfortunate and poorly informed post 2017 split BTC adherents who have no idea what's going on. I watched the entire thing u…

I would like to support BCH but everyone I talk to who supports Bitcoin Cash comes across as so divisive on this matter. BTC obviously has an important place in the crypto ecosystem. To discount the price growth of BTC and its importance in the overall awareness of crypto to the public seems short sighted. Price does matter. All of these coins can exist.

They sound divisive on the matter because for over a decade now they've fruitlessly tried to explain the abject idiocy of backing a takeover attempt by a party whose business model is directly focused around constraining on chain capacity to a uselessly low rate, the lower the better, and the uselessly low rate this attack has managed to constrain it to is barely higher than the throughput of a fax machine. Let that sink in; it's 2021 and gigabit internet in developing countries is not that big a deal for context. Fax machines haven't been "fast" since I was a kid and my hair is white now.

The situation is utterly absurd, and watching it unfold first hand over the last decade has been completely maddening. It is zero wonder at all that everybody subjected to that spectacle is not in good humour about having watched it transpire and the only way people can be surprised by that state is a lack of familiarity with the facts of the matter.

Re: Ethereum Fork Fails on OpenEthereum

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Post by swensel »

etherael wrote: post #93
swensel wrote: post #91

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I would like to support BCH but everyone I talk to who supports Bitcoin Cash comes across as so divisive on this matter. BTC obviously has an important place in the crypto ecosystem. To discount the price growth of BTC and its importance in the overall awareness of crypto to the public seems short sighted. Price does matter. All of these coins can exist.

They sound divisive on the matter because for over a decade now they've fruitlessly tried to explain the abject idiocy of backing a takeover attempt by a party whose business model is directly focused around constraining on chain capacity to a uselessly low rate, the lower the better, and the uselessly low rate this attack has managed to constrain it to is barely higher than the throughput of a fax machine. Let that…

What about the arguments that I've heard that Bitcoin Cash / big blocks allow miners to make more money, and that could be why this whole discussion started in the first place?

I understand the argument that Blockstream has some bias, but it seems like there may be bias on the BCH side as well. If that's not the case, could you explain that in more detail?

Re: Ethereum Fork Fails on OpenEthereum

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Post by DennisP »

rfd4sgmk8u wrote: post #68
chrisco255 wrote: post #54

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Ethereum is NOT a second, nor compatible implementation of Bitcoin. That would be BCH, LiteCoin, DogeCoin, etc. which are literally forks of BTC. Although those are not exactly compatible either. Ethereum started with its own code base, its own core. It's a completely different concept altogether and its a true 10x innovation on blockchain as a concept. Ethereum has many client implementations built on several differ…

I know. My point is that multiple clients make the network LESS resilient. Moments like this prove it, as the network lost 11% of nodes until it was fixed. Satoshi was correct, multiple implementations are prone to failure, not resilient.

And yet the network kept running.

Back in 2016, a denial-of-service attack took down the most popular node implementation. People quickly switched to the second-most popular implementation, and the network kept running without interruption until the popular client was fixed eight hours later.

Re: Ethereum Fork Fails on OpenEthereum

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Post by m00dy »

runeks wrote: post #97
m00dy wrote: post #96

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Then they might have fixed the block :). Hash horse is just an aggregator across blockchains

What? The problem was with a client implementation, not the block.

There is a sync issue after this block. https://hash.horse/12244294

Re: Ethereum Fork Fails on OpenEthereum

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Post by vmception »

rfd4sgmk8u wrote: post #82
swensel wrote: post #81

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What about Litecoin as peer-to-peer electronic cash? I don't see what benefits Bitcoin Cash has over Litecoin. It seems like the original idea for Litecoin was that it could be used more for day to day transactions, by reducing the block time. I question the need for Bitcoin Cash to begin with, when Litecoin was already available. I am curious of your thoughts on that. I also saw you mentioned Dash. Is there a reason…

That's the problem, bcashers ignore technical reality. Actual pro-bitcoin altcoin project like Zcash and Litecoin are ignored for the altcoins that fell into the bcash camp and memes. Litecoin is a better "bitcoin" than bitcoin cash, and with its move towards Mimblewimble Extension Block's, will have additional privacy that does not exist in bcash. But accepting that would require more a technical understanding of ma…

People are more allergic to words, in this case its brands, then the technical merit
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