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Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court

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Re: Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court

#91

Housing situation in Germany for anyone born after 1980 is so fucked.

Housing in all winner-take-all cities are fucked. Here's hoping remote work can start to really spread things around with intentional communities trying to bring specific types of people together.

Re: Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court

#93

Here goes nothing. Bye bye Berlin. This is going to be painful for many.

It shouldn't be overly painful. There were already laws in place restricting the price of rent. It's just a few months ago nearly everyone got a rent decrease. Mines was about 150 euros. With this decision it may be possible that the landlords ask for back rent that they didn't charge because of this law. And our rents go back to what they were. I considered my rent pretty cheap in the first place so I am not overly concerned about the rent hike. I am going to be annoyed about paying back rent in a lump sum for something that really wasn't anything to do with me.

Re: Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court

#94

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It doesn't matter where you live. The jobs are in Munich, Berlin, Wolfsburg, etc.

And a job in these cities usually pays the rent. Unless, of course, you work blue collar at smaller companies. Or are a long time resident. Then it sucks. That being said, I'd say the situation sucks especially for older folks not owning their apartments. The generally higher educated post 1980 generation has it comparatively good. I just take issue with such general blatant statements, things are never that simple.

It's the jobs that support the locals that don't pay enough. While the skilled workers might be able to afford the local rent, other residents progressively get pushed out.

Re: Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court

#95
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Full text of the court decision (German): https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Entscheid... Shorter press release (German, too): https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemit... It's a classical application of the "federal law breaks state law" rule, which I think exists in the united states as well.

You mean "federal law trumps state law"?

Re: Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court

#96
post #74

Housing situation in Germany for anyone born after 1980 is so fucked.

Housing situation in Germany is so fucked Housing situation in London is so fucked Housing situation in Spain is so fucked Housing situation in Canada is so fucked .... I'm not an expert, but I see a pattern there...

Add the USA to that list.

Housing needs to not be an investment.

Re: Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court

#97

Important to note here is that while the Mietendeckel (rent cap) has been overturned, the Mietpreisebremse (rental price control) is still active. This is a very interesting development though.

Mietpreisbremse for Berlin wasn't renewed, so there is now no upper limit on Miete except the federal 20% every 3 years. (I think)

Re: Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court

#98

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Not if you stay months in hotel or Airbnb. And that is only available option.

AirBnB is part of the problem btw. There are at least 4 fulltime AirBnB flats on my building floor (that I'm aware of). I'm assuming it's AirBnB because there's a very high "fluctuation" of new people in those flats (few days to 2 or 3 weeks). Imagine if all those AirBnBs would be available for longterm renting ;)

It is like saying refugees are part of the problem, because they are taking flats from the market. People who rent Airbnb also have a right to be in Berlin.

And this policy is pushing more flats from normal market into airbnbs.

Re: Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court

#99

This is a catastrophe and very disappointing. Here is a little personal anecdote: I used to live in the center of Berlin Mitte when I was a student, had rented a Penthouse apartment for 450 Euro/mo incl. additional costs (but without water, gas, electricity). It was affordable. Then a Bavarian multimillionaire bought the house from the original owners. I was already abroad most of the time, so I didn't experience the…

So, the bavarian investor who upgraded his property is the bad guy here? While you spend your time abroad, blocking an apartment in Berlin's city center? Sure, low rents from decades ago are nice, but there has to be an equilibrium. Houses depreciate and if the rent is too low there won't be any money left to pay for upkeep. Unless of course, the bavarian millionaire has to take a loss and pay for that out of his own pocket, because eat the rich.

Re: Berlin rent cap overturned by Germany's top court

#100
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They're building housing all the time. There are 3-4 housing blocks being build near me. One office building being built. Everyone keeps acting like they can just build new housing over night. To be fair, construction work in Berlin is super slow.

Well in recent months the Tesla Giga Berlin factory has shown just how fast construction can take place if the people in power actually want it to happen. Building new housing units in the city slows the increase in value of existing real estate, which is why property owners are not rushing to allow the construction of new structures. Lobbyism is a powerful force in real estate.

To be fair, it's not he people in power it's the construction companies. The amount of workers on a building site in Germany is way lower than in other places. And then you get the ones where they put 2-3 people for 2-3 weeks every 6 months.
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