Stimulants -- amphetamines, cocaine, etc -- have physiological effects sort-of similar to Mono Amine Oxidase Inhibitors (MAOI). MAOIs were sold as the first generation of anti-depressant drugs. These substances have mood-elevating benefits sort-of similar to cocaine and amphetamine, but without the euphoria and crash. Later generations of anti-depressants are less effective that the MAOIs, but MAOIs fell out use beca…
How Iraq’s crystal meth epidemic is ravaging the nation
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Well, the reality on the ground says that drugs being illegal does not actually make them unavailable. That much is clear! So the idea behind legalization is not "it should be easier to do drugs!" but rather: 1. It's already easy to do drugs, so how can we make it safer to do drugs? 2. Precisely because of drugs' illegality, extraordinary rents are collected by some of the worst humans on earth. Can we make drugs leg…
It also means when you do have problems you can seek help and talk openly about them instead of diving further down the hole, afraid of getting caught. With illegality there's no hope. With legalisation there's at least a shimmer of it.
Honestly what is it that's so hard to understand about any of this? It's so obviously a projection of biases held by a certain majority, most of whom probably have their own legal drug of choice. People who uphold prohibition have a lot of blood on their hands and yet were expected to tolerate these buffoons and pretend that they're not criminals and closet fascists. It's a disgrace!
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"Well, the reality on the ground says that rape being illegal does not actually make it impossible." Hell of a logic! Guess that means we should throw laws out the window and focus on making rapes safer and more enjoyable for rape victims? Inb4 "consent": that ship sailed long ago once addiction came on the scene.
This comparison is so spectacularly wrong that it barely warrants a response, but here it is: Some acts (and what matters here is the act itself, not the legal definition of the act, so I refer to acts not crimes ) are defined as an act on a third person without their consent. One definitionally cannot consensually murder or batter someone else. This is why it is correct for these acts to be illegal. Taking drugs is…
Addicted people cannot consent.
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> With a prescription, you also have a steady supply and no need to commit crimes to keep up your supply. It's almost like addicts are self-medicating and we should give them a legal, prescribed supply of medication. > Look at when the opoid crisis became a crisis -- it was when cheap, easy opioids stopped being available. What? In high school (20 years ago, Central PA) I knew zero people who used opiates. A few year…
When was drug abuse present, versus, when was drug abuse a societal problem ?
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Why we should care about drug addicts? They care about their drug only instead of our society.
or maybe the addiction is so strong that they can't not care even if they try. some of them are quite unhappy that they can't quit, because withdrawal is so strong they need to be high to not suffer greatly, or in case of alcohol, even die. yes, addiction is bad. fix the root cause of drug use instead of pretending you can fix the world with inefficient laws.
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Can you elaborate as to why you think someone should avoid going to NA or AA because it's not "evidence"-based? It's essentially just a community where people share stories and support each other, not some religious cult.
I mean, like half of the twelve steps are all 'stop thinking and give yourself over to God because you're broken and can't save yourself, only adherence to the program and god can'. At least in the south I've seen them push the cult aspect of it hard. 1) We admitted we were powerless over alcohol—that our lives had become unmanageable. 2) Came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.…
It's still "culty" in the sense that they're explicitly seeking out desperate people. If you have an evidence-based way to manage your consumption of alcohol, by all means do it. Such routes help a ton of people, and they have no need of AA.
AA is for people who "hit rock bottom" after having tried everything else. It's that mechanism that appeals to nonbelievers: you realize that you can't trust yourself and are so desperate you'll try anything because the alternatives are worse (dying, or living in agony).
That won't work for everybody, either. It probably works no better than placebo. But if that's the placebo that works for you, then you've found something.
Not everyone in AA sees it as I've just described it. AA brings out the worst in some people. Going there is a choice you should take only when you're willing to risk that. But you do at least have some control over what meeting you find. Large cities especially will have lots of different meetings, and you keep looking around until you fine one that works for you.
I do need to put in a caveat: I'm not an alcoholic and I know AA only through people who are close to me. My description is secondhand at best. But it's a view that makes sense to me: it helps who it helps, and for those for whom it doesn't, find something else. Unlike other cults, it's not demanding your money or your recruitment efforts. (That's something they're very clear on regardless of the meeting; anybody evangelizing AA to any except the absolute most desperate is doing it wrong.)
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recidivism rates are applicable to rehab centers which offer multi-week in-patient programs. they're all legally required to provide them, and most are pretty sad (50%+ is typical). no one claims attending a meeting with a few random people and talking is a "recovery program" by any stretch of imagination. they're completely different things.
> no one claims attending a meeting with a few random people and talking is a "recovery program" by any stretch of imagination. they're completely different things. In my experience that is a false claim: AA/NA proponents frequently assert that they can help you recover from addiction. Their religion-based system has about the same probability of helping you recover from addiction as not going to AA/NA.
Not this again. We know for a fact that treatments which encourage people to be a part of AA fellowships result in a significantly higher rate of abstinence from alcohol. [1]
See Ycombinator discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22545557
This doesn’t mean AA is for everyone, but it does show that Alcoholics Anonymous is quite helpful for a significant subset of alcoholics.
[1] John Kelly, et. al. “Alcoholics Anonymous and other 12‐step programs for alcohol use disorder” Cochrane 2020 PMC7065341 (open access, no paywall: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7065341/ )